[xj] As if you needed another warning about Jiffy-Lube

http://consumerist.com/176094/jiffy-lubes-scam-is-sand-in-
its-own-vaseline

It’s common sense that one wouldn’t take their prized Jaguar
to a ‘‘while you wait’’ oil change shop, but what about for
the daily driver?
I used to take my work van to a local instant oil change
place - it is a 1997 Mercury Villager with 275,000km and
about 10% of its paint missing. What harm could they do?
Spray paint the oil pan?

I had my license plates stolen, and so I got new ones. The
computer at this oil change shop didn’t recognize my car as
a previous customer, and then the attendant showed me a
sample of pitch black oil and recomended a $150 ‘‘hot oil
flush’’ to avoid further damaging my engine. I opened my
glove box and brought out my receipt from the previous oil
change dated three months ago and 5100km past at the SAME
shop. I handed back my free newspaper and coffee and drove
to Canadian tire for an oil filter and 5 litres of oil.
I do my own changes from now on. Except on the V12, because
frankly I can do without scrubbing my garage floor, hands,
arms, hair and face with paint thinner every 6 months…

-Chris–
Chris Los 1989 V12 Vanden Plas, 1973 XJ6 Series I
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Huh? I never found the V12 that difficult to change oil on, especially
since the filter is vertical its easy to remove without spilling much.
All you need is a drain pan of suitable capacity. I use a low, wide
rubbermaid tub and that catches everything.

Craig

thetopdogg wrote:>I do my own changes from now on. Except on the V12, because

frankly I can do without scrubbing my garage floor, hands,
arms, hair and face with paint thinner every 6 months…

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Chris:
That shop should be reported; but changing the oil on the V12 is MUCH
simpler and cleaner than on the 6 cylinder car: the drain plug is the same
:slight_smile: but the oil filter is vertically position so you don’t spill oil on
yourself (or on the steering rack boot) when you remove it.

Gregory,
Victoria, Canada
1966 Mark 2 3.8 (Pale Primrose)
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas (Black Cherry)
2002 X-Type 5 sp. manual (Anthracite)
2004 XJ8 4.2 (Ebony)-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
thetopdogg

I do my own changes from now on. Except on the V12, because
frankly I can do without scrubbing my garage floor, hands,
arms, hair and face with paint thinner every 6 months…

-Chris

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In reply to a message from Craig Talbot sent Sat 14 Feb 2009:

Difficult is all relative - I went to change the oil on a
friend’s S1 XJ6, and as soon as I saw the horizontal filter
I gave up that idea.

The fascination and enjoyment of automotive mechanical work
has worn off for now, so I’m keeping to the vanity
(cosmetic) projects on the car.

The am concerned for future Jaguar enthusiasts - the new XKR
not only has a plastic engine cover on top, but also on the
bottom - without a hoist I’m sure it would take an hour or
so to remove before you can even access the filter or
anything else.

-Chris–
The original message included these comments:

Huh? I never found the V12 that difficult to change oil on, especially
since the filter is vertical its easy to remove without spilling much.
All you need is a drain pan of suitable capacity. I use a low, wide
rubbermaid tub and that catches everything.
Craig


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In reply to a message from thetopdogg sent Sat 14 Feb 2009:

Chris:

A large store has a service department. The bureau of Auto repair
did a bit of under cover work and found many serious violations.
Major changes and a large fine. I will not use their name as they
apparently took the consequences and paid the fine. Caveat Emptor
lives.

I have deviated only a fe times from my practice of changong my own
oil amd fiter. It can be messy. I find a wide tublike device with
a snozzle works out well. An ordinary tub leaves one with the
problem of ouring the stuff in to a jug for proper dispposal. Old
laundry detergent jugs have worked for me. Milk jugs were a
disaster.

Whenver I come across a large cardbord box, I flatten it and keeep
it to work under our cars. Good to catch those oil spills and easil
disposed of when too grimy. I prefer the cardboard to a creeper.

Our Jeep has a horizontal filter and removing it will result in a
spill but as long as I catch it quickly, not too bad. The other
car’s filter is verical but buried in stuff. I manage to get it out
with a variety of methods, none just right, yet. The big pan and
cardboard spare the garage floor. The floor isn’t that pristine,
anyway. In fact far from pristine, but, why make it worse.All
manner of concrete cleaners have made little impession on it. Too
old and too many leaky cars before us. Mine do not leak.

When one wants something done right, do it your self is usually a
good mantra. But, like anything else, there are exceptions.

Carl–
Carl Hutchins 1983 Jaguar XJ6 with LT1 and 1994 Jeep Grand
Walnut Creek, California, United States
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Carl, I got a set of the interlocking foam mats at OSH a while back and
they’re great for working under the car – better than cardboard. Comfy
& cozy. The last item pictured here…

http://www.greatmats.com/industrial-antifatigue-mats.php

The interlocks get annoying if you don’t need them, since they catch on
things when moving the mats around, but you can cut them off.

As far as oil draining, I’ve cut one of those 2.5 gal polyethylene water
dispenser sideways, to make a large enough, shallow container to catch &
hold oil from even the Jags. Then an old 5-gal chemical can works for
storage until time to go to recycling.–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

cadjag wrote:

In reply to a message from thetopdogg sent Sat 14 Feb 2009:

Chris:

A large store has a service department. The bureau of Auto repair
did a bit of under cover work and found many serious violations.
Major changes and a large fine. I will not use their name as they
apparently took the consequences and paid the fine. Caveat Emptor
lives.

I have deviated only a fe times from my practice of changong my own
oil amd fiter. It can be messy. I find a wide tublike device with
a snozzle works out well. An ordinary tub leaves one with the
problem of ouring the stuff in to a jug for proper dispposal. Old
laundry detergent jugs have worked for me. Milk jugs were a
disaster.

Whenver I come across a large cardbord box, I flatten it and keeep
it to work under our cars. Good to catch those oil spills and easil
disposed of when too grimy. I prefer the cardboard to a creeper.

Our Jeep has a horizontal filter and removing it will result in a
spill but as long as I catch it quickly, not too bad. The other
car’s filter is verical but buried in stuff. I manage to get it out
with a variety of methods, none just right, yet. The big pan and
cardboard spare the garage floor. The floor isn’t that pristine,
anyway. In fact far from pristine, but, why make it worse.All
manner of concrete cleaners have made little impession on it. Too
old and too many leaky cars before us. Mine do not leak.

When one wants something done right, do it your self is usually a
good mantra. But, like anything else, there are exceptions.

Carl

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For me, I’ve yet to use an oil changer. For 477 years I’ve changed our
cars’ oil & filts. If you have a broad catch basin, the sump and filter
all drip into it, at least on every car I’ve owned.

When being scared by a ‘mechanic’, just remember my Indian friend who
drove his Honda 340,000mi on the original oil from the factory!–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

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