[xj] fog/driving warning lamp

XJ
1

Further to my posting of this morning, the correct fuse configuration for
LHD cars is: front fog lamps are fuse #1, and rear fog guards are fuse #9.
So these are the fuse holders that must be bridged. They are the same for
xj6 and xj12 models in the Series 3. RHD cars are different; but the
majority of RHD cars already have the rear fog guards installed and
therefore installing the front fog/driving lamps will automatically
illuminate the warning lamps. I hope this explanation is clear.
Gregory

2

Is anyone aware of any US regulations that preclude the use of the rear fog
lamps as seen on overseas versions of the XJ6?

Thanks
Tom Golodik

3

Tom: I am ignorant of US regulations, but Canadian regulations must permit
them since all the xj40 and later models in Canada were fitted with the fog
guards, and I can tell you that they are BRIGHT. So I cannot imagine that
they would be illegal. The bumper set-up is different, however. The rear
rubber has an inset to hold the fog guard and the bumper beam is different
than the 5 mph beam and piston system used on the North American cars.
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Golodik tgolodik@cybernex.net
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [xj] fog/driving warning lamp

Is anyone aware of any US regulations that preclude the use of the rear
fog
lamps as seen on overseas versions of the XJ6?

Thanks
Tom Golodik

4

A little more on the rear fog light thread…Australian spec cars have the
rear fog lights, called “Fog Guard” in my owner’s manual. They are set into
the rubber bumper at the back. From what I can tell, although my car is
tagged “Federal” it does not have the so-called “5 mph bumpers”, but the set
up looks very similar. I believe the North American cars had some sort of
rubber or plastic insert to cover the hole left by the omission of these
lights. Perhaps someone can tell me :slight_smile:

This type of warning light came into fashion in the mid 1970’s. I can
remember fitting them to my Austin Healey when I lived in UK. The only
regulation in force at that time that I can remember was that “…a warning
light, visible to the driver when the rear warning lights are on MUST be
fitted”. The lights are (were?) rated 21W, the same as a brake light. In
order to avoid confusion between fog and brake lights, they were permitted
to be used in poor visibility ONLY. There are plenty of drivers around
today who forget to turn them off or use them indiscriminately, causing a
lot of confusion and (to this poor sod at least) near-blindness! Basically,
a good idea though…can’t think why the that in the US, the land that
gave us so many safety devices, the simple rear fog light is not used…

Rick (Confused of Tas…)

5

I have rear fog lights on my '91 Sovereign; originally sold in California.
I don’t believe they were offered on US Spec Series 1-3 XJ cars and Rick
has it pretty much right. It was Jaguar’s choice not to offer it on the
earlier cars here. On my 91, they only operate if the lights are also
turned on. Actually, the switch for them is easily confused with the switch
for the FRONT fog lights on my 91.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

Rick Ashworth wrote:>A little more on the rear fog light thread…Australian spec cars have the

rear fog lights, called “Fog Guard” in my owner’s manual. They are set into
the rubber bumper at the back. From what I can tell, although my car is
tagged “Federal” it does not have the so-called “5 mph bumpers”, but the set
up looks very similar. I believe the North American cars had some sort of
rubber or plastic insert to cover the hole left by the omission of these
lights. Perhaps someone can tell me :slight_smile:

This type of warning light came into fashion in the mid 1970’s. I can
remember fitting them to my Austin Healey when I lived in UK. The only
regulation in force at that time that I can remember was that “…a warning
light, visible to the driver when the rear warning lights are on MUST be
fitted”. The lights are (were?) rated 21W, the same as a brake light. In
order to avoid confusion between fog and brake lights, they were permitted
to be used in poor visibility ONLY. There are plenty of drivers around
today who forget to turn them off or use them indiscriminately, causing a
lot of confusion and (to this poor sod at least) near-blindness! Basically,
a good idea though…can’t think why the that in the US, the land that
gave us so many safety devices, the simple rear fog light is not used…

Rick (Confused of Tas…)

6

You guys in the US don’t have rear fogs either? Wow - do you have
problems being rear-ended in fog? Our problem in the UK is that many
folks put the damn things on in rain (illegal), and it just dazzles the
following driver, and makes it impossible to see the brake lights. But
in fog proper they are great.

Craig> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org
[mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org]On Behalf
Of Tom Golodik
Sent: 08 November 1999 23:01
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] fog/driving warning lamp

Is anyone aware of any US regulations that preclude the use
of the rear fog
lamps as seen on overseas versions of the XJ6?

Thanks
Tom Golodik

7

Rick: the Canadian and US cars do not have a blanking plate where the fog
guards fit on the bumper! The bumper is entirely different. The rubber
portion protrudes further to cover the reinforced beam, and there is no
provision at all for the fog guard, so it does not look as though anything
is missing.
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Ashworth Rick.Ashworth@launceston.tas.gov.au
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: [xj] fog/driving warning lamp

A little more on the rear fog light thread…Australian spec cars have
the
rear fog lights, called “Fog Guard” in my owner’s manual. They are set
into
the rubber bumper at the back. From what I can tell, although my car is
tagged “Federal” it does not have the so-called “5 mph bumpers”, but the
set
up looks very similar. I believe the North American cars had some sort of
rubber or plastic insert to cover the hole left by the omission of these
lights. Perhaps someone can tell me :slight_smile:

This type of warning light came into fashion in the mid 1970’s. I can
remember fitting them to my Austin Healey when I lived in UK. The only
regulation in force at that time that I can remember was that “…a
warning
light, visible to the driver when the rear warning lights are on MUST be
fitted”. The lights are (were?) rated 21W, the same as a brake light. In
order to avoid confusion between fog and brake lights, they were permitted
to be used in poor visibility ONLY. There are plenty of drivers around
today who forget to turn them off or use them indiscriminately, causing a
lot of confusion and (to this poor sod at least) near-blindness!
Basically,
a good idea though…can’t think why the that in the US, the land that
gave us so many safety devices, the simple rear fog light is not used…

Rick (Confused of Tas…)

8

on Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:00:31 -0500 Tom wrote:
Is anyone aware of any US regulations that preclude the use of the rear
fog
lamps as seen on overseas versions of the XJ6?

I have been inactive for several months but would like to take this opportunity
to respond to Tom’s inquiry.

I live in NJ-USA and own an 1986 Sovereign SIII with the front/rear fog lights.
The rear lights are recessed into the bumper and are very bright indeed. The
front fog lamps can be operated independent of the front driving lights. New
Jersey has tough inspection rules, this setup is tolerated providing it was
(OEM) original equipment. Additionally, I believe our US version 740Volvo had
OEM rear fog lamps, there was never concern passing inspection with that car
either. I hope this answers your question.

-Doc

9

Tom,

I believe federal regulations allow only a rear display of red, yellow and
white, with brightness limits on all. Your local DMV might help.

Alex
79xj6

Tom Golodik wrote:>

Is anyone aware of any US regulations that preclude the use of the rear fog
lamps as seen on overseas versions of the XJ6?

Thanks
Tom Golodik

10

Rick,

All you have to do is look in the righthand mirror of a US car to understand
why the US is behind on this and other things: “Objects in the mirror are
closer than they appear”. Our rules are set to allow for drivers who really
shouldn’t be driving and, therefore, would have no sense in using rear fogs.
{:o]

Alex
79xj6

Rick Ashworth wrote:

A little more on the rear fog light thread…Australian spec cars have the
rear fog lights, called “Fog Guard” in my owner’s manual.
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…can’t think why the that in the US, the land that> gave us so many safety devices, the simple rear fog light is not used…

Rick (Confused of Tas…)