[xj40] Headlining Removal

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I have been reading through the archives trying to sum up the
courage to replace the headlining on my 1988 with sunroof. I am
old and ugly enough to know that this looks like a job that I could
get part way through and think %’'�’’* why did I start.

Where can I find a diagram of how to remove the sunroof? I don’t
understand some of the descriptions and I am a bit worried that I
will jam it just as it starts to rain.

When I have removed all of the trim will the headlining panel just
come away or does it clip into the middle of the roof somehow? I
can’t understand how if it is just supported at the sides the whole
thing does not just flop.

When installing the replacement lining is this just a case of
cutting it to size and leaving a small excess around the edges.
Should this excess be glued to the back of the panel or allowed to
hang loose?

Sorry to ask so many questions.–
Cormac
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In reply to a message from Cormac sent Thu 9 Nov 2006:

Cormac
If you go to the link below it will give you all the help you
should need.

I used it when I did my XJ6, but I must admit that it took two
people to get it looking right.

Good luck.

http://www.skjagtech.co.uk/html/xj6_12_headlining_removal.htm

Colin–
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In reply to a message from Cormac sent Thu 9 Nov 2006:

Cormac, had Headliner in my 94 ‘‘40’’ put in , installer was most
distressed , he had taken all seats out , and still could not get
it in , as luck would have it having windshild replaced at same
time , glass came out headliner came out , new headliner came in
new glass replaced… it worked out … but try to find another Jag
owner that has headliner experence to help you , Colin Got you
some great info … Listen to him I do !!

Robert Barnes
1994 XJ’‘40’’
1987 XJS–
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I have been reading through the archives trying to sum up the

–
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In reply to a message from barnesfind sent Fri 10 Nov 2006:

It is not necessary to remove the windshield to extract the
headliner board.
If you recline both front seats, put the gearshift in drive, remove
the knob, it will come out thru the passenger side front door.
Of course inRoberst case the glass was out so it is OK to do it
that way also.–
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Cormac, had Headliner in my 94 ‘‘40’’ put in , installer was most
distressed , he had taken all seats out , and still could not get
it in , as luck would have it having windshild replaced at same
time , glass came out headliner came out , new headliner came in

–
uncle
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In reply to a message from uncle sent Fri 10 Nov 2006:

Colin - this looks like the previous model. The area that is
sagging is the rear recess so I am still thinking whether this is
some shortcut where I could change the texture without it looking
like a bodge job. The bit that worries me most is the sunroof and
the second bit is dealing with my local multi franchise garage on
the various broken fittings - the no less about Jags than I do
about space shuttles.

I have just spent �300 on new battery and getting the window seen
to so credit with my wife is very low ‘‘on a third car’’ otherwise I
would look to get it done professionally.

Definitely don’t fancy replacing any windows!–
Cormac
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the lining on the roof panel is separate from the headliner on the rest
of the car. There are cardboard panels for each and the liner is glued
on to the cardboard which is clipped on to the car

Cormac wrote:

I have been reading through the archives trying to sum up the
courage to replace the headlining on my 1988 with sunroof. I am
old and ugly enough to know that this looks like a job that I could
get part way through and think %''�’'* why did I start.

Where can I find a diagram of how to remove the sunroof? I don’t
understand some of the descriptions and I am a bit worried that I
will jam it just as it starts to rain.

When I have removed all of the trim will the headlining panel just
come away or does it clip into the middle of the roof somehow? I
can’t understand how if it is just supported at the sides the whole
thing does not just flop.

When installing the replacement lining is this just a case of
cutting it to size and leaving a small excess around the edges.
Should this excess be glued to the back of the panel or allowed to
hang loose?

Sorry to ask so many questions.

Cormac
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In reply to a message from Cormac sent Fri 10 Nov 2006:

Cormac, your correct about the link being for the previous model,
but if you use it as a guild you won�t go far wrong. It gives you
the basic procedure of removal.

Also when I changed my headlining which also incorporates a sunroof
I had to have the front screen removed to allow for easy access,
hence why there were two of us doing the job.

I guess if you are experienced then you might be able to get it out
though the driver�s door, but you would really have to know what
you are doing because I found it a bitch of a job to do.

The stupid thing is a couple of weeks after I did mine which was
about two years ago now. I found an upholsterer a couple of weeks
later that could have done it for me for �250.00.

What part of the country do you live in? Because if your anywhere
near Sussex I will let you have his number if it helps

Colin–
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Colin - this looks like the previous model. The area that is
Definitely don’t fancy replacing any windows!

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In reply to a message from Colin Bradish sent Sat 11 Nov 2006:

Cormac,

(You still in the Channel Islands BTW?)

It can be removed through the REAR passenger door too - see:-

http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1079696430--
The original message included these comments:

Also when I changed my headlining which also incorporates a sunroof
I had to have the front screen removed to allow for easy access,
hence why there were two of us doing the job.
I guess if you are experienced then you might be able to get it out
though the driver�s door, but you would really have to know what
you are doing because I found it a bitch of a job to do.

–
Bryan N, '91 Sovereign 4.0 L, (RHD)
Cambridge, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Bryan N sent Sat 11 Nov 2006:

Good post and photos Brian,

I wish I had known that when I did mine, but blending the board
would have scared me to death in case I damaged it.

Also don�t forget cars with a sunroof fitted has the two narrow
points running along above the front doors.

This way of removing the board might not be the best solution if
you have got a sunroof.

Colin.–
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It can be removed through the REAR passenger door too - see:-

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In reply to a message from Colin Bradish sent Sat 11 Nov 2006:

Bryan - still in Guernsey but moving back to UK at Christmas.

All - successfully removed headlining today. It came out through
the passenger door but a lot of flexing and not sure if it will go
back in the same way. The sun-roof hole actually helped with the
flex. My wife was in favour of taking it out of the rear door but
I had read in the archives that the passenger side was the way to
go.

Before I started this morning I spoke to a local upholsterer who
had just charged �450 for one and done it in two pieces. He was of
the view that the window would have to come out. I also enquired
about a new board which would cost �350.

Process was reasonably painless. I broke every one of the plastic
screws on the long trim strips and the rear suit hangers but will
order new ones on Monday.

The only other blip was the trim running across the rear window is
a little bit kinked and was not very straight to begin with.

Very pleased with the condition of car underneath all the trim. No
rust or dirt and looks factory fresh. I still have not twigged on
how to remove the sunroof. Haynes Manual has no useful guide.

Board is in good condition and have scraped majority of lining off
easily. I am going to use a wire brush and wallpaper paste
tomorrow to clean up the board and then I am going to coat it in
PVA to provide a sound finish.

Have not worked out where I am going to get material from yet.
Channel Islands is not dripping with suppliers as you might
imagine. The courtesy light unit looks too fiddly to bother
replacing lining on so I think I will leave this.

I might actually pay an upholsterer to fit the lining to the board
because last thing I want are creases or bumps.

Thank you all for helpful advice and contributions.–
Cormac
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Cormac

Sorry, I should have replied to this earlier but have been busy.

Sunroof removal.
Open sunroof and then look back toward the rear of the car. Between the
steel panel and the fabric inner panel you will see 4x Phillips head screws.
Remove them and close the roof approx 90%
You will then be able to remove the panel with a wiggle and draw forward.
The inner panel can then be removed from the sunroof carier by removing the
dozen or so white plastic clips that will become visible.

When refitting the headlining you will need to ‘fold’ the entire panel
almost in half in order to get it through the door aperture. Sounds brutal
but if you are careful and do not break the back of the panel it will them
merely ‘spring’ back into shape once in the car.
I must have done a dozen or more this way and it works just fine.

Regarding the cant rail clips etc, they ALWAYS break !

Phil

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Call (+44) 01323 740471 ( 0900-1800 GMT ONLY)>From: “Cormac” ac.okeeffe@totalise.co.uk

To: xj40@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj40] Headlining Removal
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:00:32 +0100

In reply to a message from Colin Bradish sent Sat 11 Nov 2006:

Bryan - still in Guernsey but moving back to UK at Christmas.

All - successfully removed headlining today. It came out through
the passenger door but a lot of flexing and not sure if it will go
back in the same way. The sun-roof hole actually helped with the
flex. My wife was in favour of taking it out of the rear door but
I had read in the archives that the passenger side was the way to
go.

Before I started this morning I spoke to a local upholsterer who
had just charged �450 for one and done it in two pieces. He was of
the view that the window would have to come out. I also enquired
about a new board which would cost �350.

Process was reasonably painless. I broke every one of the plastic
screws on the long trim strips and the rear suit hangers but will
order new ones on Monday.

The only other blip was the trim running across the rear window is
a little bit kinked and was not very straight to begin with.

Very pleased with the condition of car underneath all the trim. No
rust or dirt and looks factory fresh. I still have not twigged on
how to remove the sunroof. Haynes Manual has no useful guide.

Board is in good condition and have scraped majority of lining off
easily. I am going to use a wire brush and wallpaper paste
tomorrow to clean up the board and then I am going to coat it in
PVA to provide a sound finish.

Have not worked out where I am going to get material from yet.
Channel Islands is not dripping with suppliers as you might
imagine. The courtesy light unit looks too fiddly to bother
replacing lining on so I think I will leave this.

I might actually pay an upholsterer to fit the lining to the board
because last thing I want are creases or bumps.

Thank you all for helpful advice and contributions.

Cormac
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In a message dated 11/11/2006 3:00:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, “Cormac” ac.okeeffe@totalise.co.uk writes:

I still have not twigged on
how to remove the sunroof. � Haynes Manual has no useful guide. � �

Hi Cormac,

The headliner material on the sunroof panel is glued to a piece of sheetmetal that can be removed after removing the exterior (painted) sunroof panel to the outside (the inner panel stays inside). The following is the procedure I followed on my 89:

Open Roof Panel to Near-full open position
Remove 4 PZ2 screws @ front of roof panel, horizontal axis
Close roof panel to 2"-open position
Lift upward on front end of panel and pull forward & upward
Ensure rear of panel disengages @ seal plates, on each side 3/4 of way to rear of panel
Lift out panel, preventing metal to metal/paint contact
If seal is intact, this will provide a buffer between panel and metal aperture of roof opening

Headliner metal panel that shows on inside of sunroof is held by 10 nylon 90-degree nuts.

Have not worked out where I am going to get material from yet.

Just make sure the fabric and the foam rubber that is bonded to the fabric do NOT exceed 1/8" thickness, or you will have problems with the sunroof fabric dragging in the aperture when the roof opens. Some shops sell a fabric with foam nearing 1/4" thick and you do NOT want that.

Channel Islands is not dripping with suppliers as you might
imagine.

In the US, small-town fabric shops often carry headliner material (foam bonded to fabric).

The courtesy light unit looks too fiddly to bother
replacing lining on so I think I will leave this.

It does take some dis-assembly, removing the wood trim, etc., but can be done in an hour or so.

I might actually pay an upholsterer to fit the lining to the board
because last thing I want are creases or bumps.

The secret is in the application of the spray adhesive, and whether you can get the right adhesive at a reasonable price. When I did mine, I was also having some upholstery replacement done, and the shop doing that glued the new material to the board (after I removed everything and gave them a clean board to work with) for about what the adhesive would have cost me in individual spray cans.

George Balthrop, Clifton, VA USA
85 & 89 XJ-S Coupes; 89 XJ40 VDP

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What is the wallpaper paste for? What is PVA?–
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easily. I am going to use a wire brush and wallpaper paste
tomorrow to clean up the board and then I am going to coat it in
PVA to provide a sound finish.

–
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In reply to a message from uncle sent Sat 11 Nov 2006:

Wallpaper paste was to dissolve the remaining glue / residue on the
board.

PVA is white glue that will seal the surface to ensure that surface
is sound for replacement lining.–
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In reply to a message from Cormac sent Sun 12 Nov 2006:

The correct glue to use to attach the new material is a spray
contact cement. Wallpaper paste is water based, I cannot imagine
how it could dissolve a solvent based product.–
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Wallpaper paste was to dissolve the remaining glue / residue on the
board.
PVA is white glue that will seal the surface to ensure that surface

–
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