[xj40] is a 1988 hood the same as a 1992 hood?

Hi all

my 92 Jag XJ6 4.0 Sovereign has some recent front end damage. Hood,
rad, grill, headlights, etc. The youingest son who was driving it
is devastated as the car was his late mothers that I did a full
restoration/rebuild on after she died, then gave it to him as a
memory of his mother. I am not lettign the insurance company write
the car off and am dealing with the repairs myself.

I am having trouble sourcing a replacement hood and don’t want to
pay the price of a brand new rad. The rad repair shop says my rad
is not repairable.

I just found a non running 1988 XJ 6. It has the four round
headlights, where my 1992 has the two rectangular headlights. If
the hood and rad from the 1988 can be used on my 92, I am prepared
to buy the entire car.

would the hood from the 1988 be a direct and exact fit onto my 1992?

would the radiator from the 1988 be a direct and exact fit onto my
1992?

is there a parts interchange reference I can access?

Paul–
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Mon 22 Apr 2013:

Paul,

I’m sorry to hear about the damage to your car and I am
especially sorry for your son’s sense of guilt - I know it
must be very hard for him, but you are obviously a terrific
dad and will no doubt help him through the process. I’m
sure that if he can help with the repairs to any degree it
will be great therapy!

A great resource for comparing parts for various year cars
is www.jaguarclassicparts.com. To determine which VIN range
is associated with a given model year, see
http://www.captainjaguarscathouse.com/VIN.htm.

It appears that the hood is the same for all XJ40s, so the
'88 part should work (the gaps may be a little different):

http://www.jaguarclassicparts.com/uk/jaguar-xj6-parts/body-metal-panels-and-sealing/bolted-body-panels/bonnet-wing-door-and-trunk-lid-panel

Regarding the radiator, it may not be as clear cut. It
appears that there was a change at VIN 629286 (during the
'91 model year). The only thing I can see that may have
changed is that the earlier radiator had a thermostat switch
in the lower right side that was apparently eliminated after
VIN 629285. Whether this would pose any difficulty I can’t
say. I also do not know if the connections for the
transmission and power steering coolers will be the same
(our '93 has the ‘‘quick connect’’ type of connections that
just press in as opposed to nuts on the cooler lines that
thread onto fittings on the radiator). Another member may
be able to offer more info.

The quad headlights can be retrofitted - the lamp brackets
and trim pieces will bolt directly to your '92 car, but you
may have to modify the wiring to connect the BFMs in the '92
to the bulbs from the '88. Search the archives for posts
from me and others on the conversion process.

We’ll all be anxious to hear how it goes!

Cheers,

Don–
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I am having trouble sourcing a replacement hood and don’t want to
pay the price of a brand new rad. The rad repair shop says my rad
is not repairable.
I just found a non running 1988 XJ 6. It has the four round
headlights, where my 1992 has the two rectangular headlights. If
the hood and rad from the 1988 can be used on my 92, I am prepared
to buy the entire car.
would the hood from the 1988 be a direct and exact fit onto my 1992?
would the radiator from the 1988 be a direct and exact fit onto my
1992?
is there a parts interchange reference I can access?


Don B : '93 VDP Flamenco Red 189K : (ex-'88 Sovereign)
Franklin, TN, United States
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Mon 22 Apr 2013:

so the situation is now becoming less about a hood, and more about
finding a radiator.

my car is a 1992 XJ 40. There are lots of new radiators available
for a 1992 XJ 6 Series 3. Nothing for XJ 4.0, nothing for 93 or 94
XJ 6 or XJ 40, so I am guessing the rad I am being quoted on is for
the eArlier round cars, not the XJ 40

I phoned CFS in the Satets, they wanted to know what series my 92
XJ 6 is, and similarily also do not offer a rad for a 93 or 94.

My local parts supplier says his computer parts lookup shows
radiators for XJ 40’s as discontinued…

my eBay searches all come up with the rad part number CFS uses for
the XJ 6 Series 1, 2 and 3 cars, unfortuantely.

has anyone had any luck sourcing a new rad for an XJ 40? If so,
where?

Thanks so much!!

Paul–
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Tue 23 Apr 2013:

Paul,

I definitely think you do not want a radiator for a '93 or
'94 because the transmission and power steering cooler lines
attach to the radiator in a different manner than on the '92
and earlier cars. The current price for one of these
radiators new from Welsh Enterprises is $1,100.00!

Welsh (typical disclaimers) list a radiator for '88-'90 cars
(up to VIN 629285) for $375.00, but they don’t seem to list
a radiator for '91-'92 cars. Coventry West’s website list
no XJ40 radiators.

I recently replaced the radiator on our '93 with a good
salvaged one from a lower-mileage wreck. So far no
problems. I’m still wondering if the radiator from the '88
may actually work in your '92. It would have that switch I
mentioned in my previous post, but it might work just fine
anyway - you just wouldn’t need to connect the switch. Can
you visually inspect the radiator in the '88 (or get good
photos) to see if the hose and pipe connections match the
radiator in your '92?

Don–
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so the situation is now becoming less about a hood, and more about
finding a radiator.
my car is a 1992 XJ 40. There are lots of new radiators available
for a 1992 XJ 6 Series 3. Nothing for XJ 4.0, nothing for 93 or 94
XJ 6 or XJ 40, so I am guessing the rad I am being quoted on is for
the eArlier round cars, not the XJ 40


Don B : '93 VDP Flamenco Red 189K : (ex-'88 Sovereign)
Franklin, TN, United States
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Tue 23 Apr 2013:

Paul. I see that you are in Canada and I have a 89 and have had to
source most parts over a twenty year period. Partsgeek.com have
what you need.
wahttp://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1989/jaguar/xj6/cooling_system/ra
diator.htmlnt for about 280.00 US Best of luck. John.–
John. Walsh. Purrrrr 89 vdp
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In reply to a message from h s law sent Tue 23 Apr 2013:

John,

Great lead on PartsGeek. I’m going to have to start
shopping for parts there! I believe the car Paul is
repairing is a '92. Here’s a link for a '92 radiator at
PartsGeek for just $237 U.S.:

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1992/jaguar/xj6/cooling_system/radiator.html

Best,

Don–
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Paul. I see that you are in Canada and I have a 89 and have had to
source most parts over a twenty year period. Partsgeek.com have
what you need.
wahttp://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1989/jaguar/xj6/cooling_system/ra
diator.htmlnt for about 280.00 US Best of luck. John.


Don B : '93 VDP Flamenco Red 189K : (ex-'88 Sovereign)
Franklin, TN, United States
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In reply to a message from Don B sent Tue 23 Apr 2013:

I’ve been using PartsGeek for a few years now and I don’t
have any complaints. They are the place I hit first and then
search around from there. Shipping is fast and prices are good.

Of course, I do enough research to make sure that what I
order is exactly what I want.

A week or so ago, someone was kind enough to put a link to
Bosch for finding any Bosch part you want (fuel, electrical,
brakes, etc). I found the fuel pump kit for my car on the
Bosch site.

Here’s the link to Bosch (for any car) if anyone is interested:
http://www.boschautoparts.com/vehiclepartfinder/pages/vehiclepartfinder.aspx

Unfortunately, PartsGeek did not have that part. They had
similar pumps that should fit, but I wanted the Bosch one.
Some other sites had just the pump and not the kit. I rarely
buy from the Jaguar specialist sites as they tend to be on
the high end of the price range. My final stop was Amazon.
They had the pump kit for $60 US, which was at least $20
cheaper than anything else I had come across.
Coincidentally, the pump arrived today and is brand new in
the box.

In the past, I have also ordered parts from
http://britishparts.co.uk/ in the United Kingdom (I live in
NY). They had the best price and were the only place I was
able to get what I needed at the time.

Hopefully this will help you in your search.

I am not affiliated with any of these companies or websites.–
1991 XJ6 (XJ40) Sovereign - 155,000 miles
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In reply to a message from Rick sent Wed 24 Apr 2013:

thanks for the suggestions and links, and Jaguar Pete’s e mail off
list concerning Welsh Enterprises in the States.

I have all the damaged front end bits stripped off my 92, a lot
more than I initially thought got bent…

today I bought the entire 1988 XJ 4.0 I had looked at, it was
parked 4 years ago when the water pump let go, and has been stored
inside since. I bought the car for only slightly more than the cost
of a new rad with shipping and customs, and am going to strip it
for the rad, hood, etc., etc, all the front end bits I need
including the rad suport cross frame and so on. Looks like the 88
rad will work on my 92, at first glance anyway, the rads were
apparently all the same up to mid 92, and my car’s vin falls before
the change of the rads.

there are likely a few more bits on the 1988 I will salvage for
myself, but not that much, I expect I will strip off the car
anything that might sell through this forum’s for sale parts
listings, or through eBay, then the remainder of the car will go to
the crusher. Sad, but I have no where to park the 1988 long term,
it will be a quick strip then off it will go. I am in Calgary,
Alberta, Canada, anyone nearby is welcome to call me to arrange to
come by my place and take whatever they may need off the 1988, no
charge, before the car gets hauled away, don’t wait to long, I
don’t expect I will have the car here any longer than a week or
two, max, before the neighbours gear up to lynch me…

Paul–
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Sun 28 Apr 2013:

I had the 1988 Jag XJ 40 parts car towed to my house last night.
The towing bill was ridiculous. I had phoned around yesterday for
towing quotes, went with the cheapest which was still triple what I
wanted or had expected to pay…

anyway, does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions as to what
parts off an 88 XJ 40 might be in demand and saleable on eBay?
After I take all the front end bits I need, I am wondering what
else to tell my son to strip off the car before it goes to the
crusher. I am only going to have him strip off the relatively small
and easily shippable bits that there may actually be a demand
for… Maybe I can make back enough from parts sales to recoup my
ridiculous towing costs.

Paul–
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Tue 30 Apr 2013:

If your 88 has the chrome finishers around the taillights
and trunk, they would be worth something. Good early
outside door handles that aren’t broken are certainly
valuable. The 88s seat belts can replace the attack belts
in 89 thru 91 cars. If the 88 has been converted to
standard rear suspension, the spring-over shocks have value.
Bulb failure modules (one in each corner) can fetch a good
price, too.
A good ski slope and ashtray are in demand.
If your 88 has a good center arm rest/console cover in
Mulberry (trim code CEM) I will buy it.–
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anyway, does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions as to what
parts off an 88 XJ 40 might be in demand and saleable on eBay?
After I take all the front end bits I need, I am wondering what
else to tell my son to strip off the car before it goes to the
crusher. I am only going to have him strip off the relatively small
and easily shippable bits that there may actually be a demand
for… Maybe I can make back enough from parts sales to recoup my
ridiculous towing costs.


Pete Peterson 70E(193K) XJ40s(88-270K,89-97K, 94-122K)
Severna Park, Maryland, United States
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Mon 22 Apr 2013:

so, car is repaired, for now.

Bought the 1988 XJ 4.0 Sovereign for $600 for parts, stripped the
hood and brackets and hinges etc., etc., etc.

Turns out the 1988 hood is not exactly the same as the 1992 hood,
but close enough that with a little judicious adjustment of both
fenders the panel fit is pretty good…

So, to repair the 1992 involved some heavy duty hydraulics to push
all the bent subframe mounting points etc, back close to position,
then some further delicate adjustments with a couple of sledge
hammers, bolting some chains in strategic points, hooking the
chains to the trailer hitch on my SUV, and taking as many runs away
from the Jag as it took to do the final location and lining up of
all the bits.

replaced with used parts included air con rad, radiator, fans,
grill, both headlights and mountings, some other miscellaneous bits.

As the 1992 had previously been treated to a very high end high
quality custom repaint, for now I have simply sprayed the used
replacement hood with flat black rubberized ‘‘Plasti Dip’’, while
waiting for the 21 year old to scrap up the cash to have the used
hood sprayed to match the rest of the car, and there is no rush for
that.

insurance repair estimate was right around the $14,000 mark, which
the insurance company was not going to do, and they wanted to write
the cat off and pay me out around $2,700.

my total actual repair costs was right around the $800 mark,
including the parts car, and about 25 hours of my time. I have been
selling off bits from the parts car, have recovered about $300 so
far, so present net cost is hovering at the $500 mark at the moment.

I don’t know how much it is going to cost to paint match the
present hood, but other than that there are now no signs the car
has ever suffered any injury… My late wife’s car lives on, now on
its third incarnation, now in the full time hands of our son…

for final repairs, I am going to use an air saw to cut the entire
front sub frame and associated bracketry of the 88 parts car, and
this winter swap in all the required pristine bits with a spot
welder, MIG, etc., then the car will go to the paint shop after
that for repaint. It is driveable now for the summer, no mechanical
issues or safety concerns, I did weld in bracing and sheet steel as
appropriate, pending complete replacement of all the bits and bobs
that got bent.

none of this makes any economic sense whatsoever, but this car is
staying with the family…

Paul–
The original message included these comments:

my 92 Jag XJ6 4.0 Sovereign has some recent front end damage. Hood,
rad, grill, headlights, etc. The youingest son who was driving it
is devastated as the car was his late mothers that I did a full
restoration/rebuild on after she died, then gave it to him as a
memory of his mother. I am not lettign the insurance company write
the car off and am dealing with the repairs myself.


1992 Jaguar XJ 4.0 Sovereign
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Fri 31 May 2013:

Paul,

Well done! You and your son are exactly the kind of proud
and caring owners these cars deserve. Hope to see photos
some day of all your work to save the '92.

Cheers,

Don–
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none of this makes any economic sense whatsoever, but this car is
staying with the family…


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Franklin, TN, United States
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