[xk] 120 intrerior and alternater install

I am in the finishing stages of getting my XK 120 OTS on the road.

The project came with an OSJI interior kit which I am installing.

I am concernred, IE: don’t know how, about the cockpit coaming. Has

anybody in this group done this? I could sure use some guidance.

I would like to install an altenater. I have already done this to my

3.8 Etype. The electrical part was very sinple, merely pick the

cut-off relay in the closed position and jumper a couple of leads

together so the ignition light in the speedo works. I used a

small Hitachi alternator. Is it this simple with my 120?

Again, any guidance out there would be much appreciated.

Art Weatherly
Riverside Ca.
'53 XK120 OTS 672166
'64 Etype OTS 880430–
Art Weatherly
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Art,

There was a discussion within the last couple weeks about alternators. I’d
start there and see if it sounds as easy as the E. I can’t imagine it’s much
different.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson Phoenix, AZ
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Art Weatherly
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:16 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xk] 120 intrerior and alternater install

I am in the finishing stages of getting my XK 120 OTS on the road.

The project came with an OSJI interior kit which I am installing.

I am concernred, IE: don’t know how, about the cockpit coaming. Has

anybody in this group done this? I could sure use some guidance.

I would like to install an altenater. I have already done this to my

3.8 Etype. The electrical part was very sinple, merely pick the

cut-off relay in the closed position and jumper a couple of leads

together so the ignition light in the speedo works. I used a

small Hitachi alternator. Is it this simple with my 120?

Again, any guidance out there would be much appreciated.

Art Weatherly
Riverside Ca.
'53 XK120 OTS 672166
'64 Etype OTS 880430


Art Weatherly
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In reply to a message from Art Weatherly sent Tue 26 May 2009:

Art
I used the same Hitachi alternator on my Series 1 E-type and my
XK140. The E-type was a piece of cake, the 140…well, that’s
another story. The only modification on the E-type, was the longer
adjusting bracket. Because I try to avoid making any permanent
changes to the hardware on the 140, I had to extend the bottom
mounting of the alternator out a couple of inches. You will not be
able to pass a bolt through the original generator bracket, and get
it to line up with the mounting holes on the Hitachi. One
alternative is to fabricate a different bracket, or, take two
pieces of flat bar stock 2’’ long and drill holes on each end to
attach to the generator bracket and alternator mounting holes
respectively. You will also need to have a longer adjustment bar on
the top. I did find an alternator from an AMC car that may have fit
better, but I liked the idea of having an alternator that was
readily available in the event of a failure. The AMC alternator was
special order, and the Hitachi was on the shelf, at half the cost.
Joel–
ex jag, '66 E-type S1 4.2, '56 XK140dhc, '97 XJ-6
Denison, TX, United States
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Good morning Art,
You’ve gotten some valuable alternator conversion input, but not much on the
D-rubber or cockpit roll installation, unless I missed it.
I can start some foundation instructions and perhaps the more knowledgable
will chime in with tips. First off, check the archives, because I know I/we
have gone through this a couple of times, but it is often very hard to
locate or search the archives for something specific. Also, Bill Bassett’s
has a a book that discusses it. Your inherited kit may or may not, have come
originally from Bassetts. But either way, he sells the booklet and it is
helpful.
The best I can do is the describe how I have done it a few times. Naturally,
each time, I have gotten better at it. If you haven’t guessed already, the
doors are the easiest, and the front & rear with their tight turns and
greater lengths, are more difficult.
I used thin wood like that which is used on Luan (sp?) hollow core doors,
but I have read that these in plastic are available. Most folks I know have
used the wood and I believe this is similar to what the factory used. Begin
by cutting a wide strip of this wood, much wider than the width of the
application suface and much longer as well. This is just to get you in the
ballpark, and the strip will be trimmed later. Put the strip up to the top
of the surface and make sure that it follow the contours of the door and
that you will have plenty of excess wood to trim off. Next, fasten it to the
top of the door with sheet metal screws. Space them 1-1/2" inches apart to
make sure that the wood is snuggly against the surface everywhere and that
there are no gaps.
Run a pencil on the underside, marking the wood that needs to be trimmed
off. Remove the screws, wood and trim. Mark which is the top side.
Now you will need the assistance of a helper. I assume the kit you have has
these strips of leather already cut. Do not be concerned if they look too
short. I was certain that the supplier had sent me the wrong kit, because
they looked to be only 70% of the length needed. But this is actually the
secret to a great looking fit. Laying the wooden strip top down, stretch
your leather and fasten it to the underside of the strip. You will be
stapling the outer top edge of your leather to the underside of the wooden
strip. This is the edge that will be the outer edge of the door. This is
where I really need a photo to describe!
Bare with me and after reading all, it may become clearer. You will be
stretching the edge of the leather slightly as your helper follows and
staples the edge of the leather to the edge of the wood. When you are done,
you strip will curl up and take the leather with it looking like a mess. No
problem.
At this point you want to go ahead and get your beading in place on the
door. I used contact cement, and by cutting triangular darts on the inside
curves, got the beading to sit and fasten absolutley flat. You will only
apply the bead to 3 sides. The bead does not go around to the inside edge
of the door. That is where the excess leather will go and attach. Your top
cockpit leather will go over the beading inside the door. The door panel
will then go over that. So that the door panel will lay flat against the
sheet metal and not be held up by the thickness of the beading, remove the
plastic tube inside of your leather beading where the top leather lays over.
Does that make sense? After removing the plastic roll tubing from the
leather beading where it goes behind the door panel, pull it diagonally down
and cement to the door sheet metal.
Now, screw the wood strip back onto the surface. You leather should be
laying dwon th outerside of the door, with the top side against the door.Now
install you D-rubber. Cut the rubber to length and fasten it to the top of
the wood with contact cement. So, at this point you will have your matching
color leather bead onto the door, the wooden strip with you leather holding
that in place, and the D shaped rubber attached.

Your next step will be to wrap the leather up and over the D-rubber and
fasten to the inside of the door’s sheet metal with contact cement. This of
course gets covered by the door panel. I also use the contact cement on the
rubber and leather, but some people do not. Working carefully and while
keeping the leather tight by stretching slightly, bring the leather over the
rubber. It is a little tricky sinec, as you knwo, once contact cement makes
contact, it does not give up the ghost easily. So, you have to get it right
the first time. You helper can be hold the excess leather up while you work,
so that it doesn’t accidentally fall against the surface to soon. Stretch
the leather tight over the rubber and press against the cemented door sheet
metal.
The final step is to finish the ends and install the chrome plugs. This is
tricky and I have seen many concourse cars where this looks apalling. The
tricky part, of course is the bottom edge of the d-rubber ends. This is
where you need to 1) get the leather tucked under the beading, 2) get a nice
finish where the 2 sides of the leather meet and 3) get a nice finish for
your beading. Unfortunately, I really don’t think I can describe in an
email how to do this.
Some tips are: Trim the end of the leather so that you are not trying to
tuck more than 3/4" into the D-rubber hole. I then start by tucking the
top and sides into the hole, and with small scissors, trim and overlap the
bottom edge so there is a neat vertical seam at the bottom. Using a small
tiny screwdriver, tuck the bottom edge between the rubber and the beading.
Where your cockpit leather comes over your beading, turn and cement about
1/4" fold on the ends, so that raw leather isn’t showing.
Some common mistakes you want to avoid may be 1) Don’t cut your D-rubber too
short. I have seen cars have as much as an inch between cockpit leather ends
bewteen the door and the scuttle, 2) pull the leather tight, wrinkles look
terrible. This is particularly challenging when installing the rear section,
where the cockpit roll takes tight turns ! The next time I do this I’m
taking pictures.
Whis reminds me, if you are at a Jag show before you embark upon your
installation, take pictures of the ends with the chrome plugs.

I sincerely hope this is, at least a beginning for you. And if you have any
questions, please feel free to call me.
Best & good luck.
Knight

Art,
I wil send my phone number off-list,
Knight----- Original Message -----
From: “Art Weatherly” amweatherly@charter.net
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: [xk] 120 intrerior and alternater install

I am in the finishing stages of getting my XK 120 OTS on the road.

The project came with an OSJI interior kit which I am installing.

I am concernred, IE: don’t know how, about the cockpit coaming. Has

anybody in this group done this? I could sure use some guidance.

I would like to install an altenater. I have already done this to my

3.8 Etype. The electrical part was very sinple, merely pick the

cut-off relay in the closed position and jumper a couple of leads

together so the ignition light in the speedo works. I used a

small Hitachi alternator. Is it this simple with my 120?

Again, any guidance out there would be much appreciated.

Art Weatherly
Riverside Ca.
'53 XK120 OTS 672166
'64 Etype OTS 880430


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In reply to a message from ex jag sent Tue 26 May 2009:

Joel,

Sounds like my advice may be too late for your alternator
conversion, but to the extent it may help others, I can
share my experience with a 150. A Ford alternator is
probably easier to fit: no modification of the original
engine mounting bracket, and a fairly short top adjusting
bracket. You will have to change the pulley because of the
different belt width.
I posted photos of my conversions a few weeks ago.

Monte
1960 DHC
S838594–
The original message included these comments:

changes to the hardware on the 140, I had to extend the bottom
mounting of the alternator out a couple of inches. You will not be
able to pass a bolt through the original generator bracket, and get
it to line up with the mounting holes on the Hitachi. One
alternative is to fabricate a different bracket, or, take two
pieces of flat bar stock 2’’ long and drill holes on each end to
attach to the generator bracket and alternator mounting holes
respectively. You will also need to have a longer adjustment bar on
the top. I did find an alternator from an AMC car that may have fit
better, but I liked the idea of having an alternator that was
readily available in the event of a failure. The AMC alternator was


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In reply to a message from p8099 sent Wed 27 May 2009:

Monte
I remember looking at a Ford alternator, but it required a
regulator.
Joel–
ex jag, '66 E-type S1 4.2, '56 XK140dhc, '97 XJ-6
Denison, TX, United States
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Thank you form your post. I know its been along time, but I too am installing a OSJI interior just 12 years later. I purchased mine in 1989, its time to install. If you are still active I would love to talk to you about the installion.

Bob Fisk
San Antonio Tx
'54 XK120SE OTS
'54 XK120 OTS
'52 XK120 FHC

Hello Bob,

I have installed the D-rubber leather twice on my OTS, but it was not a OSJI kit, so I don’t know what OSJI includes. My first leather kit came from Suffolk & Turley in England in 1981, and then much later from Bill Bassett. Of course, the install is the same but some kits provide the tacking strip; neither of mine did.

So, to begin with, I used a very thin, about 1/8” plywood ( sold as replacement skin for Luan doors but any thin, pliable, wood will do, or a plastic of the same thickness), for my tacking strip. I cut pieces that were oversized by about 1’ all around. I fastened the strip tightly with small sheet metal screws into the top surface of the door, or faces of the scuttle or tonneau panel.

Once in place, spacing the screws approximately 3 or 4 inches apart, depending on the severity of the curve, I traced the door surface outline with a pencil onto the underside of the plywood. I removed the strips and cut them to the precise shape. Take your time with this step and get them right. You don’t want that finish edge to extend beyond the door edge otherwise, the D-rubber’s beading will sit too far out.

The next step is kind of hard to explain without images. Laying the wood strip on a flat surface, top side down, you will fasten one leather edge along the outer edge of the strip. The concept here is that you are fastening the leather to be underside of the strip ( which will go against the door surface), and the leather will be pulled over the rubber on the other side. What you are fastening will be hidden. I don’t have drawings or photos of this, but wish I did.

To fasten, you can either staple with shallow staples, or glue with contact cement. I used the holes that I drilled for the door’s sheet metal screws to temporarily hold the wood strip down to a work table, while I stretched the leather. It’s important to stretch the leather as you do this. So, as you stretch, and fastened, the leather wants to curl the wood up, which is why temporarily fastening it down is important. I found stapling the easiest since it allowed me to stretch as a went along. Having another person work with you is VERY helpful. Stretching during this step is important because remember that the door, for instance, has a curve in the vertical dimension. If you don’t stretch, the leather will have wrinkles as the wood is pulled down.

After stapling, or glueing that leather edge to the edge of the wood, you staple your matching color beading to finish the edge. Obviously, you leave plenty of leather, and beading, on the ends to wrap around the short end of the D-Rubber and finish.

Once that’s done, remove the strip & assembly from the work table. The whole thing will curve wildly, and look wrong. :-))

Take the wood strip, leather, and bead assembly to the car’s metal edge and fasten it back down, starting in the middle and working outward, as you’d done originally. The largest part of the leather will drape down onto the door’s outer side.

Cut to size, and glue down your D-rubber using contact cement. Once that has set up you can start to install the leather. Coat the D-rubber with contact cement. Coat the underside of the leather as well with contact cement, and let both dry according to glue instructions.

Start in the middle, and pull the leather over the D-rubber, stretching as you do. Work your way outward pulling down and out to avoid wrinkles. Once you’ve got it around the top of the D-Rubber to the ends, you can put a little glue on the inside door metal just to hold the loose leather in place. The door panel is going to cover this anyway.

I’m afraid there is no good way that I can adequately explain how to finish the ends where the chrome plug goes. The round sides are pretty easy since they tuck into the plug hole, but its the bottom slicing the leather to get a good finish that is trial & error. My advice would be to study another roadster, ( a friend’s or at a car show) and take pictures. It’s very possible that if you contact OSJI, they will supply photos, maybe even instructions, on this.

The first time my brother and I installed the D-Rubber leather, I called Mic Turley ( Suffolk & Turley) in England, and they walked my through the process for an hour by international phone call, ($$$$) ! :-)) But it was worth it.

Once the leather & plug are finished on the ends, use a small screwdriver, and some glue to tuck and fasten the beading around the corners under the tacking strip. To hold that really well, you want to pull the excess beading diagonally onto the door’s inside surface and glue. But before you do, you want to remove the hard, round plastic material that holds the round shape, only where it will be hidden by the door panel.

This will allow the beading leather to lay flat against the door surface and not cause problems when you fit up your door panel.

Just to be clear, you’re just removing that plastic round material (like weed-eater line) only on the part that is hidden behind the door panel. The beading has a round part, and then a flat part where the excess is sewn or glued together. Where you want to remove the round plastic, separate the 2 flat flaps of leather, and this will allow you access to the round bit. Cut it and pull it out from the end. Then glue your 2 flaps back.

The front scuttle, and rear tonneau panel, D-Rubber leather really takes at least 2 people to manage it.

I don’t know if my description is any help or not; its hard without images, and I really would suggest calling OSJI just to see if a tech could offer information.
Best of luck

Knight,
this was a really interesting writeup. The way you describe it makes it sound like a fun DIY project. Almost makes me want to try redoing my D-rolls this winter. Your posts are always full of valuable info, and much appreciated.

John