[xk] Pastel green metallic paint chips

XK
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As part of the quest of finding the true color of
pastel green metallic, Rob R, Allan P, and myself met at
Jim Kakuska’s shop. The results were inconclusive with
three different samples closely related in hue. In the end
the color samples on this site of the following cars best
represent the actual color that I would like to paint my
car. Unfortunately I have not been able to acquire a match
for Richmond green,(landrover color) or a sample of the
other cars color. The match from Urs formula comes out a
little to blue, and the match we have is a little to
‘‘bright’’ metallic size wise.

So anyone that has an original or matched paint sample of
Pastel green metallic, please get in touch with me ASAP!

The car heads to the body shop in a week!

http://www.xkdata.com/gallery/zoom/?id=99300
http://www.xkdata.com/gallery/zoom/?id=209027

Thanks in advance

Dan–
Dan Cusick 1994 xjs 4.0L 1964 e-type FHC 1951 xk120 ots
Peru, Illinois, United States
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Dan,

My understanding is THE definitive PASTEL GREEN sample is that shown in an
as-new/unfaded original JAGUAR colour chip book of the ZOFELAC Cellulose
Enamel colours, of which there are very few examples still in existence that
are in as-new/unfaded condition.

Some of the colours - for example the WHITE do appear to have chemically
degraded, but the PASTEL GREEN METALLIC is I believe one of the colours that
has remained true.

Alan P. has one of these ZOFELAC Books so the goal is to perfectly match
that ZOFELAC colour as best as possible with modern formulation paints -
which are of course totally different.

But Alan P had gone that next step that I am not aware anyone else has - in
that he is trying to replicate the original metallic effect which again is
totally different to modern metallics.

Even if you accurately match the right shade of green, if the metallic
affect is not also accurately matched, the end result will not appear
correct.

My experience with colours is that you also need to select an appropriate
colour primer to prepare before applying your carefully matched top colour.

So I am at a loss - given you have Allan P involved who has an original
ZOFELAC book (presumably unfaded) and has done the work on matching the
metallic effect, where did the three different samples come from that have
resulted in being inconclusive?.

And I think BIG MISTAKE if you have a modern painter trying to convince you
to add a “Clear-Over” coat as is the norm these days - as this just detracts
from any carefully matched colour, depth of gloss and metallic effect, and
gloss level and metallic effect impacts on the final appearance as much as
the exact colour shade.

Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.
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Dan Cusick
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 4:22 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xk] Pastel green metallic paint chips

As part of the quest of finding the true color of
pastel green metallic, Rob R, Allan P, and myself met at
Jim Kakuska’s shop. The results were inconclusive with
three different samples closely related in hue. In the end
the color samples on this site of the following cars best
represent the actual color that I would like to paint my
car. Unfortunately I have not been able to acquire a match
for Richmond green,(landrover color) or a sample of the
other cars color. The match from Urs formula comes out a
little to blue, and the match we have is a little to
‘‘bright’’ metallic size wise.

So anyone that has an original or matched paint sample of
Pastel green metallic, please get in touch with me ASAP!

The car heads to the body shop in a week!

http://www.xkdata.com/gallery/zoom/?id=99300
http://www.xkdata.com/gallery/zoom/?id=209027

Thanks in advance

Dan

Dan Cusick 1994 xjs 4.0L 1964 e-type FHC 1951 xk120 ots
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In reply to a message from Dan Cusick sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

I rather like the metalic version of the colour, if the photos are
a true indication. The original colour scheme of my XK120, at
present in primer, was Pastel Green / Suede Green, neither of which
appeals to my eye.–
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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

There in lies the problem.
Allan P has the book and we both have a sample of the
paint he had matched. He sprayed out a sample on a fender,
I had spray cards made up. Both sample looked correct in
hue to the color swatch. The metallic is a bit ‘‘bright’’
but overall I like the color. It matched Rob’s wheel and
bar in the boot pretty well. Allan’s car has a few sample
areas to work with but they look a tad bit ‘‘brownish’’ for
lack of a better discription. Sort of like the red oxide
has bled into it. The two examples I am using have been
recently resprayed and look correct to my eye, not ever
seeing them in person I must rely on photos and computer
monitors.

I understand that you also have some colors swatches, I
would be willing to send you a sample to compare for your
opinion. You can contact me offlist for contact info.

If all else fails I will go with what I have as its a good
color match to the swatch. If I can figure out how to tone
down the metallic some it would be good.–
The original message included these comments:

My understanding is THE definitive PASTEL GREEN sample is that shown in an
as-new/unfaded original JAGUAR colour chip book of the ZOFELAC Cellulose
Enamel colours, of which there are very few examples still in existence that
are in as-new/unfaded condition.
Some of the colours - for example the WHITE do appear to have chemically
degraded, but the PASTEL GREEN METALLIC is I believe one of the colours that
has remained true.
Alan P. has one of these ZOFELAC Books so the goal is to perfectly match
that ZOFELAC colour as best as possible with modern formulation paints -
which are of course totally different.
But Alan P had gone that next step that I am not aware anyone else has - in

–
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Dan,

More than happy for you to send your sample(s) to me, and I will compare
against my colour swatches.

My address is as below:-

Roger Payne
8 Beggs Place
MACARTHUR
A.C.T. 2904
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Dan Cusick
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012 10:49 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] Pastel green metallic paint chips

In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

There in lies the problem.
Allan P has the book and we both have a sample of the
paint he had matched. He sprayed out a sample on a fender,
I had spray cards made up. Both sample looked correct in
hue to the color swatch. The metallic is a bit ‘‘bright’’
but overall I like the color. It matched Rob’s wheel and
bar in the boot pretty well. Allan’s car has a few sample
areas to work with but they look a tad bit ‘‘brownish’’ for
lack of a better discription. Sort of like the red oxide
has bled into it. The two examples I am using have been
recently resprayed and look correct to my eye, not ever
seeing them in person I must rely on photos and computer
monitors.

I understand that you also have some colors swatches, I
would be willing to send you a sample to compare for your
opinion. You can contact me offlist for contact info.

If all else fails I will go with what I have as its a good
color match to the swatch. If I can figure out how to tone
down the metallic some it would be good.

The original message included these comments:

My understanding is THE definitive PASTEL GREEN sample is that shown in an
as-new/unfaded original JAGUAR colour chip book of the ZOFELAC Cellulose
Enamel colours, of which there are very few examples still in existence
that
are in as-new/unfaded condition.
Some of the colours - for example the WHITE do appear to have chemically
degraded, but the PASTEL GREEN METALLIC is I believe one of the colours
that
has remained true.
Alan P. has one of these ZOFELAC Books so the goal is to perfectly match
that ZOFELAC colour as best as possible with modern formulation paints -
which are of course totally different.
But Alan P had gone that next step that I am not aware anyone else has -
in

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Peru, Illinois, United States
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In reply to a message from Dan Cusick sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

20+ years ago I was part of the team that restored a pastel green
metallic, late 1951 120 rd. (car # 671615 on XK Data). The car was
very original with a lot of areas un-touched by re-paints. We had
original Jaguar paint sample book from the '50’s, but the
opalescent pastel green card was a bit off when compared to
original paint areas. We figured the paint chip cards might have
faded over the years, so we gave a number of car parts to the paint
supplier to use as a match. The best match came from the inside of
the wheels, under the tubes. They were all uniform in color, un-
touched by the sun, and had a full coat of paint. The other parts
like the door and boot lid insides, under dash areas, etc. gave
good colors, but we felt they were more over-sprayed instead of a
nice even color coat. One excellent area was under the cockpit ‘‘D’’
roll, as it had an original color treatment as the car exterior and
was protected by the original ‘‘D’’ roll leather, so it didn’t get re-
sprayed. Our paint supplier said at the time, that the metallic
additive was unusual - very fine. Paint samples from him with only
metallic differences to the green color base gave different end
results. We did protect some of the original paint areas that are
not seen for future restorers to use.

And they said my archaeological training would never be of any
use…

Sorry, no paint formulas were used. It was all matched by mixing by
eye.

Phil.–
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In reply to a message from PhilW sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

I passed this idea along to Allan.
Maybe he is outside taking tires off as I write this. :o)

The metallic on the original parts looks almost like Powder,
where modern metallic is larger, and brighter.

The Quest continues on!!–
The original message included these comments:

In reply to a message from Dan Cusick sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:
20+ years ago I was part of the team that restored a pastel green
metallic, late 1951 120 rd. (car # 671615 on XK Data). The car was
very original with a lot of areas un-touched by re-paints. We had
original Jaguar paint sample book from the '50’s, but the
opalescent pastel green card was a bit off when compared to
original paint areas. We figured the paint chip cards might have
faded over the years, so we gave a number of car parts to the paint
supplier to use as a match. The best match came from the inside of
the wheels, under the tubes. They were all uniform in color, un-
touched by the sun, and had a full coat of paint. The other parts

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In reply to a message from Dan Cusick sent Sat 10 Nov 2012:

Dan, thank you for identifying two more cars I had not seen
before. To my eyes 660449 seems to be a little more toward
the yellowish as we saw on the NZ Mark VII, and not quite
the same as 671957, but I was particularly glad to see
679471 as this is the first time I have seen a FHC done in
this color where you can get the full effect. Judging by my
computer monitor, it seems very close to my wheel and bar in
the boot. For others following this, on mine the bar
separating the upper boot from the spare tire compartment
had black on it when it came to me, but I took that off with
Scotchbrite and revealed pastel green metallic there. The
inboard side of my wheels are still PGM, and these are what
we compared to Alan and Dan’s samples. Some day when my
tires wear out I will get another view of inside the rims
and see how that compares.
Perhaps my eyes are not as well tuned in to the slight
nuances of these samples as some of you others, but I can
see where a great part of the trick is to get the metallic
dust or powder just right as it lays down in the wet color,
so as not to drift down deep or float on top. The factory
paint guy must have been an artist. No computer controlled
robot then!
BTW primer was mentioned. My wheels are all showing brown
primer where the PGM has flaked off.–
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In reply to a message from Rob Reilly sent Sat 10 Nov 2012:

Rob
That one was posted by Jon Pollack. I contacted him, he
had it matched from a sample on the car. I should contact
him again to see if he used a paint supplier that might
have a record of the mix. It’s one of three cars on this
site that I like the color of. Allan is a working on
something, he text me earlier. It would be nice to have a
color to use a standard.–
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In reply to a message from PhilW sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

At the time, I was told that opalescent pastel green was only used
for a short time - maybe a year or so in the '51 to '52 area.
Anyone know the length of it’s use?

Phil.–
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20+ years ago I was part of the team that restored a pastel green
metallic, late 1951 120 rd. (car # 671615 on XK Data). The car was

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Pastel Green Metallic was offered from the beginning of XK120 production up
until the October/November 1952 change from Zofelac Cellulose paint to the
new Synthetic Enamel paint. All metallics were discontinued, but in the
Synthetic Enamels non-metallic Pastel Green was now offered.

In Anders Clausager’s (JDHT) book JAGUAR XK120 IN DETAIL, it would appear
the actual first XK120 painted Metallic Pastel Green was 670031 built on 16
Nov 1949, sold new to Canada, with 670160 (28 Feb 1950) and 670174 (10 Mar
1950) being the only other aluminium XK120s in Pastel Green, whereas
Metallic Pastel Blue was very common with 47 so painted amongst these first
240 aluminium XK120s.

The story is that these Zofelac Metallics were of such poor
quality/durability that many cars had to be resprayed within a year or two,
and once dropped at end of 1952 Jaguar didn’t again offer metallics until
E-Type/Mark 10 in 1961 except for a couple only “Special Orders” in late
1950s.

So chances of finding an XK120 with original Pastel Green Metallic are
pretty remote, and even if one is found with signs of original paint you
have to wonder about its condition, as the original problem must have been
some major chemical instability issue to warrant repaints in a year or so of
being new.

And I agree - its probably best to refer to these early metallics as
“opalescent” as the metallic effect was a lot more subdued than the current
concept of a “metallic”

Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.
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PhilW
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:40 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] Pastel green metallic paint chips

In reply to a message from PhilW sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

At the time, I was told that opalescent pastel green was only used
for a short time - maybe a year or so in the '51 to '52 area.
Anyone know the length of it’s use?

Phil.

The original message included these comments:

20+ years ago I was part of the team that restored a pastel green
metallic, late 1951 120 rd. (car # 671615 on XK Data). The car was

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In reply to a message from Nick S. sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

Hi,

Sorry to chime in ONE YEAR LATE :o, but I found this again
through a search on the J-L.

Yes, the early ‘‘metallics’’ were used from ca. 1932 all the
way to the end of production at the Foleshill plant in
Coventry on Holbrook Lane ca. October 1952 when they took
the all new paint system into use at the Browns Lane plant.

After WW2 ‘‘Gunmetal’’ was continued and then the ‘‘Pastel
Blue’’ and ‘‘Pastel Green’’ metallic used on all MKV models and
XK120 until ca. November 1952.

So Nick if your car was built in 1954 it was never metallic
and I know eyes are different, I personally just love the
combinations of blue and green Jaguar offered on the
Saloons, the XK’s and even the E-type. For the latter the
Opalescent Dark Green / Suede Green is definitely my all
time fav. combination, although I think Cotswold Blue (later
Light Blue)/ Dark Blue is also fantastic.

The ‘‘Twilight Blue’’ was very short lived and only offered on
MKVII and XK120 OTS and FHC I believe, and ‘‘Gunmetal’’ at the
time was only offered on the Saloons and ‘‘Silver’’ was only
offered o the XK120. The 1949-1951 colour combinations can
all be found in the wonderful ‘‘deluxe’’ large brochure here
at J-L (under Brochures).

I have been trying to get paint cards from the
Autocolorlibrary for years, and order them to my
father-in-laws address in Miami, FL, but unsuccessful. I
don’t know what’s wrong with their webpages and my e-mails
have remained unanswered, perhaps because I’m in Finland,
Europe, and they would not be able to sell me any paint
directly anyways.

But there are companies over here also selling ‘‘House of
Kolor’’ and PPG, so if I could just get their codes for the
1946-1951 ‘‘Birch Grey’’ I could have the paint samples made
locally, or if I could get a couple of paint cards from them
we could also match them locally.

Oh well, the car won’t be ready for paint in a few years
anyways!

Cheers,

Pekka T.
Fin.

PS. Oh and there is a MKV Saloon being restored in here that
was originally Pastel Green (Metallic) I would love to get
the owner to have it painted that colour again, even if it
will be difficult to match…–
The original message included these comments:

I rather like the metalic version of the colour, if the photos are
a true indication. The original colour scheme of my XK120, at
present in primer, was Pastel Green / Suede Green, neither of which
appeals to my eye.

1968 E-type S1� OTS since 1982, 1954 XK120SE OTS since 1991
Niagara, Ontario, Canada

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Petka;
I just went to the “AutoColor Library” and they do NOT
list ANY colours for 1959 and Earlier Jaguars… None, Nada,
Zero, Zilch!!
I would not take any bets, but I would hazard a guess as to
this being the reason you have not received any paint color
chips from this company… They can’t sell/send what they ain’t
got none of ;-}
Charles #677556.
http://xktx.org----- Original Message -----
From: “ptelivuo”

I have been trying to get paint cards from the
Autocolorlibrary for years, and order them to my
father-in-laws address in Miami, FL, but unsuccessful. I
don’t know what’s wrong with their webpages and my e-mails
have remained unanswered, perhaps because I’m in Finland,
Europe, and they would not be able to sell me any paint
directly anyways.

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Pekka,
Sounds interesting, what is your source for 1932-1952 metallics.
Steve-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
ptelivuo
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:15 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] Pastel green metallic paint chips

In reply to a message from Nick S. sent Fri 9 Nov 2012:

Hi,

Sorry to chime in ONE YEAR LATE :o, but I found this again through a search
on the J-L.

Yes, the early ‘‘metallics’’ were used from ca. 1932 all the way to the end
of production at the Foleshill plant in Coventry on Holbrook Lane ca.
October 1952 when they took the all new paint system into use at the Browns
Lane plant.

After WW2 ‘‘Gunmetal’’ was continued and then the ‘‘Pastel Blue’’ and
‘‘Pastel Green’’ metallic used on all MKV models and
XK120 until ca. November 1952.

So Nick if your car was built in 1954 it was never metallic and I know eyes
are different, I personally just love the combinations of blue and green
Jaguar offered on the Saloons, the XK’s and even the E-type. For the latter
the Opalescent Dark Green / Suede Green is definitely my all time fav.
combination, although I think Cotswold Blue (later Light Blue)/ Dark Blue is
also fantastic.

The ‘‘Twilight Blue’’ was very short lived and only offered on MKVII and
XK120 OTS and FHC I believe, and ‘‘Gunmetal’’ at the time was only offered
on the Saloons and ‘‘Silver’’ was only offered o the XK120. The 1949-1951
colour combinations can all be found in the wonderful ‘‘deluxe’’ large
brochure here at J-L (under Brochures).

I have been trying to get paint cards from the Autocolorlibrary for years,
and order them to my father-in-laws address in Miami, FL, but unsuccessful.
I don’t know what’s wrong with their webpages and my e-mails have remained
unanswered, perhaps because I’m in Finland, Europe, and they would not be
able to sell me any paint directly anyways.

But there are companies over here also selling ‘‘House of Kolor’’ and PPG,
so if I could just get their codes for the
1946-1951 ‘‘Birch Grey’’ I could have the paint samples made locally, or if
I could get a couple of paint cards from them we could also match them
locally.

Oh well, the car won’t be ready for paint in a few years anyways!

Cheers,

Pekka T.
Fin.

PS. Oh and there is a MKV Saloon being restored in here that was originally
Pastel Green (Metallic) I would love to get the owner to have it painted
that colour again, even if it will be difficult to match…

–
The original message included these comments:

I rather like the metalic version of the colour, if the photos are a
true indication. The original colour scheme of my XK120, at present in
primer, was Pastel Green / Suede Green, neither of which appeals to my
eye.

1968 E-type S1½ OTS since 1982, 1954 XK120SE OTS since 1991 Niagara,
Ontario, Canada

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In reply to a message from Steve sent Mon 4 Nov 2013:

Hi Steve,

The old brochures, the JHT and Alkan Crouch’s books, like
the one about SS1 & SS2 published by the JHT and I am also
looking very much forward to the latest one about SS
Jaguar, MKIV & MKV.

Copies of many brochures can also be found here at J-L and
the colour info in Allan’s book comes from the factory
build sheets, the first metallic (IIRC) was Silver that
was available at an extra price (was it �6 GBP) for SS1 &
SS2. Gunmetal was offered for steel bodied SS Jaguars pre-
WW2 and then from 1946 for the Jaguar Saloon and from 1949
for the MKV both Saloon and DHC (and of course for the
MKIV DHC as well) all the colour combinations of 1949-1951
are listed in the 1949 ‘‘deluxe’’ brochure.

Cheers,

Pkka T.
Fin.–
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Pekka,
Sounds interesting, what is your source for 1932-1952 metallics.
Steve

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And if you are fortunate enough to have an example, Jaguar had their current
paint supplier - BRITISH DOMELAC - produce a small booklet of actual ZOFELAC
cellulose paint samples of the THIRTEEN standard colours offered for Mark V
Saloon and DHC and XK120, and apart from 8 solid colours, includes actual
samples of FIVE METALLICS:- GUNMETAL, PASTEL GREEN, PASTEL BLUE, SILVER and
BRONZE.

In late 1952 when Jaguar dropped these ZOFELAC paints in favour of the new
SYNTHETIC ENAMEL paints, they revised the colour range on offer - dropping
ALL metallics that had proven to have extremely poor durability, but offered
a range of SOLID colours only including confusingly same name PASTEL GREEN
and PASTEL BLUE (non-metallics)

But you need to refer to the same age factory publication of available
colours and colour combinations for the different models that will reveal
that BRONZE was only offered for XK120 and not Mark V, but the other four
metallics were standard for Mark V including PASTEL-GREEN METALLIC, with at
least two local Mark Vs originally in this colour with traces of original
paint remaining underneath their repainted solid colours.

Similar lists and colour samples exist for SS and SS-Jaguar.

Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.
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ptelivuo
Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2013 8:52 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] Pastel green metallic paint chips

In reply to a message from Steve sent Mon 4 Nov 2013:

Hi Steve,

The old brochures, the JHT and Alkan Crouch’s books, like
the one about SS1 & SS2 published by the JHT and I am also
looking very much forward to the latest one about SS
Jaguar, MKIV & MKV.

Copies of many brochures can also be found here at J-L and
the colour info in Allan’s book comes from the factory
build sheets, the first metallic (IIRC) was Silver that
was available at an extra price (was it £6 GBP) for SS1 &
SS2. Gunmetal was offered for steel bodied SS Jaguars pre-
WW2 and then from 1946 for the Jaguar Saloon and from 1949
for the MKV both Saloon and DHC (and of course for the
MKIV DHC as well) all the colour combinations of 1949-1951
are listed in the 1949 ‘‘deluxe’’ brochure.

Cheers,

Pkka T.
Fin.

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Pekka,
Sounds interesting, what is your source for 1932-1952 metallics.
Steve

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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Mon 4 Nov 2013:

Hi Roger,

Yes, thank you for confirming this. Also I think in
addition to Bronze,also Silver was only offered on the
XK120 (and not the MKV) and Gunmetal was not offered on
the XK120, only the MKV (and of course MKIV and SS Jaguar
previously)

I wish I could get original paint samples, but that’s very
unlikely. However the MKV Saloon I was referring to still
has original welting and under it, between the wings and
the body on both surfaces the original paint, probably
detoriated, but at least it has been protected from the
sun etc. I know the look is impossible to replicate
nowadays, but a good try is better IMHO then just
forgetting about it.

Cheers,

Pekka T.
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But you need to refer to the same age factory publication of available
colours and colour combinations for the different models that will reveal
that BRONZE was only offered for XK120 and not Mark V, but the other four
metallics were standard for Mark V including PASTEL-GREEN METALLIC, with at
least two local Mark Vs originally in this colour with traces of original
paint remaining underneath their repainted solid colours.
Similar lists and colour samples exist for SS and SS-Jaguar.
Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.

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Hi Pekka,

I do have the full set of 4" by 6" spray out cards from Autocolor, matched
to the Zofelac color sample family to include Bronze, Gunmetal and Ivory if
this helps with the dating of these samples.

The solid colors are a perfect match to cards in day and artificial lights.
The same for the metallics - only when at a distance where the still very
minute flake size is not quite as noticeable-except for PGM!

Dan Cusick and I were both questioning our sanity in our efforts of trying
to match that up, and found the TCP Global Land Rover Richmond Green,
suggested by Guy Broad to be the very closest . And it is a beautiful color.
Dan, more pics!

Interestingly, I spoke with some folks throughout the time Dan and I were
researching PGM and was told by two companies still mixing and matching
Nitrocellulose that the metallic pigment in the old Nitro was near dust,
thus giving it a more “muddy” appearance in both of their opinions compared
to modern metallics. This dust-like pigment I found was true also for Nitro
metallic printing inks of the '30’s and '40’s. This dust like appearance is
common in the original samples, albeit disparate shades of PGM that Dan, Rob
Reilly and I have for surviving samples.

The color matching I would say is not the main issue, finding a paint
company currently offering the most minute metallic sample and the suitable
tinters would be the real detective work. I have seen new cars with very,
very minute metallic, so not hopeless. If the true color shade can be
duplicated with the larger metallic, the opposite should be possible as
well.

I would be happy to send you the spray out card set with assurances of
course. My Zofelac color book is getting a bit of damage to the cards, and I
wish to keep my set safe.

I believe Jim at Autocolor has now fully retired, and what a shame. A lot of
knowledge has walked out of the door. I also inquired last spring as to why
the early Jaguar list came down, and was told it would be
restored-apparently not yet!

The Autocolor mixing codes are DBC-TCP(Jag Code)

All the best,

Allan

Yes, thank you for confirming this. Also I think in
addition to Bronze,also Silver was only offered on the
XK120 (and not the MKV) and Gunmetal was not offered on
the XK120, only the MKV (and of course MKIV and SS Jaguar
previously)

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In reply to a message from Allan Pozdol sent Tue 5 Nov 2013:

Gunmetal and Silver were in fact two different colors.
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1140152785

Have we ever investigated that curious observation, that
Gunmetal was not offered on XK120? I think Gunmetal looks
pretty sharp. I can sort of understand why they might not
have offered Birch Grey, Battleship Grey, Lavender Grey and
Dove Grey, at least initially, though they came in later. It
would have been Lyons himself deciding, and perhaps he
thought they were not sporty enough?

I know we once hashed out the difference between Cream and
Ivory.

Also I can sort of understand why Red and Bronze would not
have been offered on Mark V, but why not Silver?–
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addition to Bronze,also Silver was only offered on the
XK120 (and not the MKV) and Gunmetal was not offered on
the XK120, only the MKV (and of course MKIV and SS Jaguar

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In reply to a message from Rob Reilly sent Wed 6 Nov 2013:

Hi,

Really?

I would really love to see some evidence on that as I am
pretty sure it was the same white!

Which one can be found among those paint sample cards?
Does it say ‘‘Ivory’’ or ‘‘Cream’’ on the back?

As the JHT themselves have said they think that also in
1970/1971 there was no change, they just started calling
‘‘Cream’’ with another name, ‘‘Old English White’’. AFAIK
that’s only marketing, the paint manufacturer had probably
a name as well as a colour code, but that did not change
always when marketing changed a name for the brochures.

With interiors I know this is a fact, I have the Connolly
leather samples from 1950’s, 1960’s and some brochures
with actual samples all the way to the 90’s.

Pale Blue = Light Blue = Grey/Blue Connolly VM.3244

I have a really, really hard time believing that in 1950,
with all the rationing and material shortages they ould
actually have had two barrels of different Domolac Zofelac
paint for MKV’s and XK120’s…

Besides I think the JHT has confirmed ‘‘Ivory’’ was a very
rare colour on the MKV, only ca. 30 cars out of 10.000+
which makes me even more certain it was the same paint
that hundreds or thousands of XK120’s got.

Stuff like Pearl Grey are even harder as no colour code or
even manufacturer of paint was recorded, like this one:

To me that looks white. :?

Cheers,

Pekka T.
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Gunmetal and Silver were in fact two different colors.
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1140152785
Have we ever investigated that curious observation, that
Gunmetal was not offered on XK120? I think Gunmetal looks
pretty sharp. I can sort of understand why they might not
have offered Birch Grey, Battleship Grey, Lavender Grey and
Dove Grey, at least initially, though they came in later. It
would have been Lyons himself deciding, and perhaps he
thought they were not sporty enough?
http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/bro1949/jag_48_19_l.jpg
http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xk120/salesmans_18_l.jpg

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