Hi Bob,
In reply to a message from Stevenson Robert sent Sat 9 Feb 2013:
Here you go Bob.
First the no cross entering rule. We are supposed to be celebrating
the preservation of the Jaguar. Yet we are cutting out a very
important part of that preservation. If you happens to have a car
that has been kept in such great condition over the years that it
qualifies for both classes. You are saying to that owner if you
enter Championship classes we don’t want to celebrate the condition
of your car in the preservation class. Not that we ever see an over
abundance of cars in that class.
I seriously doubt that if there were an"over abundance" of entries
in preservation class we’d be having this conversation!
Next the qualifications for modified class. What is the difference
between wheels and special one off wheels? Who is the judge of what
qualifies as being special about it.
Actually I agree with you on this especially concerning bolt on wire
wheels as they are considered non authentic in both driven and
Championship classes.
Next the removal of Judging flexibility. If every car you judge has
to be judged counting every single mark, blemish, stone chip or non
authentic item found as a deduction you will offend so many first
time entrants that your concours participation numbers will just
die a slow death. Good judgment has to be allowed in respect to the
lesser competitors in order for them to want to participate in
future events. Hey how about this for an idea. When you judge you
put aside a little time to converse with the participants and
inform them of what is expected and how they can achieve it. ‘‘No’’
cannot do that JCNA disproves of Judges communicating with the
entrants.
Judges have always been required to issue a deduct for each defect but
unless there are only a handful they are never actually counted. I’ve
judged in many Concours and most/all of the judges that I’ve worked
with will made a very conservative lump sum deduction when there more
then a few cosmetic defects. I really don’t understand why a first
time entrant would be upset at the various deductions that are made on
his/her car as they’ve never been thru the process before and really
don’t know what to expect. I hope that you’re not implying that a
judge should intentionally overlook obvious defects for if that is the
case Concours scores would mean little to nothing! I learned long ago
not to discuss deducts with the entrant while judging was in progress,
for obivious reasons, but on the other hand I also instructed my
judges, I was Chief Judge with the Mi.club for 24 years, that if an
entrant was interested, to go over the car in detail with him/her
AFTER the days judging was completed.
Double deduction for an unauthentic item. You can apply a non
authenticity deduction in addition to a cleanliness deduction. Hey
if it aunt supposed to be there how can it also be dirty.
Adding dirt, bad paint etc to a non authentic part is adding insult
to injury and deserves both deductions!
Deduction for paint chip even when fixed. The only cars that do not
have paint chip are the Trailer Queens that never see the road. I
guess that is what we are down too now. I always thought that JCNA
was for enjoying and driving our prized possession, not promoting
an attitude of ‘‘look what I got’’.
As our judging is done using the standard of “intended to leave the
factory” how can you possibly consider a bad paint repair as meeting
this criteria?
The pin striping table should not be included because it is not
based on authenticated Jaguar literature plus it is not complete
and it is incorrect.
I assume that you missed the note below the pin striping table that
said This information was drawn from Steve Kennedy’s book, “JAGUAR
The Classic
Marque”, it is not considered an official reference. The Entrant may
provide alternate official documentation.
The badge bar rule. Again just like the flip flop that JCNA did
with the leapers on the XJS. We once again allowed people to drill
to install a badge bar as we did with the Leaper and now we taketh
away and just leave holes. Real good move.
I don’t recall JCNA allowing leapers on the XJS’s and then changing
the ruling, would you please bring me up to date on this and inform
me as to which AGM this was approved ?
I think that just about covers it.
Bob
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Plymouth, Mi.On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:04 PM, Peddlarbob wrote:
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The original message included these comments:
Which of these rule changes are you referring too!