Lump, Chunk or piece of junk?

I guess I’ll introduce myself first: Hi I’m Lucius (actually my great great grandfathers name - I use it for internet purposes). About a year ago I walked down to a hanger at the airport where I work to get a customers twin so I could bring it back to the shop to change a cylinder. Inside along with a boat and the airplane was the a beautiful rebuilt 4.2 engine just sitting there. I looked around and a freshly rebuilt and painted XKE body was waiting for all the parts in boxes to be mounted to it. Suddenly the “want” for an XKE hit me for the first time in 50 years.

There are two vehicles I remember exactly where I was when I first saw them: I was sitting in a big convention center in Hawaii when on the giant screen a slow reveal of a new Honda motorcycle began. First the outer right down pipe of a new big road bike was in the frame on the left of the screen. Then the next pipe over in the next frame. Then the next pipe in the next frame just left of center screen. Then the center screen revealed the center “down” pipe frame member. The crowd of about 2-3000 dealers rose to our feet cheering wildly. I don’t think anyone expected a new 6 cylinder machine. Of course the the other 3 pipes were then shown at once in the right side screen. The Honda CBX was born.

I was between classes in electronics communication at the college I was attending about 1971 when while walking across the road I saw a friend sitting in a red car I had never seen before. It was the best looking car I had ever seen before or since. It was (unknown to me) a series 1 red XKE coupe. My friend had purchased it used when he returned from Vietnam service. Next to the gear shift was a Dymo label: “Speed shifting costs $1000”. Further talk revealed I was not going to be able to afford to own one, probably not ever! Years of business and two bug eyed Sprites, Two MG TD’s, an MGA , a couple of cheap Porche’s and many sailboats, airplanes, motorcycles etc,etc. a gear head obsession with machine tools, electronics and so on. AND then in the year since seeing the hidden Jag in the hanger this turned up on ebay:

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I watched it for a few days and finally they had lowered the price to 16K so I bought an airline ticket and flew 1200 miles in the morning, rented a uhaul truck, had the dealer load it while I was in the office paying for it (frame removed and bonnet standing up in truck), and by evening was stuck in LA traffic. Thirty boring “Interstate five” hours later I arrived back home in the Northwest corner of the country. The next morning I checked the load while it was still in the truck and found they had lifted the body shell by engine crane and it looked like this:

Both sides bent in on the roof. Great! But a couple days fun building body spoons to wedge inside over the unbent inner parts, careful application of the porta power, and it’s back the way it was.

So 16K car, 500 airline, 1300 truck, 1500 Washington State taxes, 500 gas, ie about 20K total, I have a titled Series one 1966 FHC E-type in my garage. OK the shell, but hidden and not really spelled out in the advert originally included was the door internals, all the glass including a nos windshield, 2 seats in decent original condition, dash top, gas tank, “other stuffs”.

Not included was what the dream really consists of except the satisfaction of seeing it in my garage and the worlds biggest Easter egg hunt!

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What if anything are you missing? I used to own a 66 40+ years ago…

Well I need just about everything. I’ll add pictures to this thread in a day or so and it will be obvious there is not much with the car. Gtjoey is sending a steering rack so that will be the first component of getting the front end started. I have been buying/building the front end bonnet brackets and working through aligning it. Many threads on here about how to do that have been very helpful. Working on aircraft I am used to stuff that doesn’t fit and this seems easier than most of what I am used to.

Thanks Bill for reading my thread!

I presented the car in about the best light I could in the above picture. If you look through the headlight hole you can see that there is no suspension parts of any kind or wheels or anything under the front and no IRS or cage under the back. After much speculation I am convinced someone started a restoration back in the 80’s or 90’s and then gave up, died or lost interest and it must have been in dry storage since then. The parts probably got scattered in a garage sale. The dealer said he got this with a large lot of other cars he wanted and rebuilding this with no parts with it was beyond what he could make money with. After I bought it the dealer also informed me that it came from Arizona and he thought it was pretty rust free. I didn’t expect that would be the case but getting it home I have found so far not much rust compared to what I have seen in most of the restorations online. I did find that the left bonnet wing and the forward left sill had been damaged in a wreck at some point and almost no metal work was done before bondo-ing it all over. The front of the sill is backed by fiberglass. Now that said whoever did it was a genius with bondo. It looks and reflects very good and in fact I have decided to concentrate on getting it on it’s feet first and then go back and revisit the body work and painting. I purchased a set of tail lights on ebay and mounted them to the car but they don’t quite fit right at the rubber gasket suggesting bondo there also.

I don’t know why I thought I needed another project at my age but it’s really neat to go out and see it in the garage.

The @#$king idiots who unloaded my E type, to its new owner in Switzerland, lifted it off the truck with a f**king* forklift, thereby destroying the exhaust system.

Lucky I had not been there: I’m not sure what the charge for justifiable homicide is in Switzerland, but I may have found out…:rage:

Good: these cars were essentially hand-assembled, so you will encounter–ah, how to say?–varying levels of precision!

You could NOT possibly have found a better source of information, and lotsa helpful folks: if you need repairable, useable exhaust manifolds, the part I have is yours for the shipping!

Hi Wiggles. Nice to meet some of the posters I have read on JL in other threads.

A little bit about the Olympic Penninsula and Jaguar E-types, in all the years I have lived here (about 40) I don,t remember seeing one ever except my friends OTS. Maybe it’s the weather or just no knowing about them.

Hand assembled? Definitely the same for small aircraft.

Exhaust manifolds?
Thank you. Those would be nice to have. If your serious pM me and I’ll paypal. My zip is 98376. Now all I need is the engine. I’ll wire the manifolds to the frames, sprinkle some water on them and see if they grow a 4.2L :slight_smile:

Speaking of engines. I have started looking locally as shipping probably will not be a good idea on that or the IRS. I need recommendations about other Jag models that might be able to donate a 4.2? My understanding is the series II is a direct replacement (except for the valve covers) and some sedans used a similar engine except for the oil pan. Have I got that right?

One of my goals with this car is to learn tig welding with my new 3 in 1 unit. It’s been fun so far but I seem to spend more time sharpening tungsten than actual welding. A bit shaky.

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To get it on the road, Series 1/2/3 XJ 6 engines are plentiful and cheap (I got three for $100!), and with minimal mods, can be made to work just fine in an E Type ( eh, @L.Lynn ?).

You can even use the S1/2/3 covers, just with a different tach.

Maybe not. Often,(actually, most of the time) the tail lamps and the bumpers need to be ground and fit to the body if they are not original to the car.
Nice find by the way. No, or little rust is rare. I found mine in Anacortes.
Originally from Boise. Also no rust and gutted almost as much as yours.
Nice starting point you have there. Congratulations.

There are at least three different tail light escutcheons, from 1961 to 1967: this group, with a picture of the top of them, will be able to ID them.

Ahh. newbie runs out and buys something. Exactly why I need the help. I think I actually remember seeing something about different tail lights. I think it was about the 2+2 but I’ll get a picture and post tomorrow.

That’s good to know. You can’t use the XJ6 oil pan? Right? Or am I thinking wrong?

I’ll post the pictures tomorrow. It did look like they could be ground a little to fit or I figured I could make a small 3d printed spacer to fit between the gasket and the car. I would think grinding would compromise the plating. The tail lights look very good with no corrosion so I plan on using them.

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Nope: you need an E pan, and they are dear. Worse come to worst–and maybe easier, if you can weld aluminum-- you can modify an XJ6 sump.

Yes it can. It’s a slow tedious job with a belt or drum sander, but can be done. New chrome is expensive and a spacer sounds a little weird . What kind of material and what color would the spacer be ?
You may be on to something, now that you mention it.

I see you are on the Olympic Peninsula, as am I. I have a 73 2+2 and I know of 2 others here, both 6 cylinders and both restored. There is a Jag specialist in Cape George who is busy with Jags.

You have a big project ahead of you. But some have been there before, and this is the best place on the internet to help you.

The way I kept my momentum up was to do “something”, even ever so small, every day toward assembly. I had the advantage of just disassembly-reassembly so I knew what goes where and what type of screws.

So ask a lot of questions.

LLoyd

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We were on the Olympic Peninsula this last weekend with the Oil Leak (tour) having stayed Friday night at Port Angeles. Heading back on 101 Saturday morning I saw a BRG OTS with a tan top heading west(?) I think it was a series 2. Anyone here? We were driving our '73 OEW 2+2.
Cheers,
LLynn

The characters call this “forked”. Fork lifts used a lot in moving cars that do not run. Might have been Ok if they used a strap, then the fork OTH, perhaps they did.

Carl

look up Jaguar Drivers and Restorers Club of Pacific Northwest, and Seattle Jaguar club…many member and cars, and newsletter, ads for Jaguar mechanics, shops/restorers etc. Join.a membership in the club is also membership in JCNA…and discounts at vendors, insurance and more… Nick

I have a damaged sump from a 67 OTS that you can have for the shipping cost. It is presently serving as a flower pot😳

The history is that there was a dent and what appeared to be a crack in the front face of the drop section, but did not leak. When I replaced the front crank seal I ignored the if it ain’t broke don’t fix it rule and had it welded, which caused it to leak. After a couple of more attempts it still leaked, and I was offered a non leaking sump at a good price that I accepted. I think it could be repaired by a competent aluminum welder. If you are interested I can evict the flowers and send you pics of the damaged area.

Rod

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