[Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Saloons
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I am refering to the same device ie the Auxillary starting carb. I became
confused because the needle is refered to as the Accelerating needle in the
parts catalogue which I had just been reading.

Graham----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Stephenson marks@trnpa.com
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2000 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Incorrect needles would make the mixture too rich or too lean, but because
the air flow across the opening is drawing the gas from the float bowl, it
couldn’t possibly draw enough to cause it to pour out the intake side of
the
carbs.

The only thing I can think of that would cause this, is if the fuel is
literally being pumped out around the needle. The only way that could
happen, based on the DPOs previous repairs, would be if the float needle
periodically stuck which would normally cause the engine to suddenly go
very
rich and a stream of gas to flow out the overflow tube. What if the PO
didn’t like the thought of all that gas poring onto the ground and he
somehow blocked the overflow?

I’m not sure what you mean by the “accelerating carb.” There are dual HD6
carbs and a starting carb for enriching the mixture at startup. Other than
that, there are no other fuel/air mixing devices on the car.

I’d check the float bowls, and make sure you can get liquid through the
overflows.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
1952 XK120 Roadster #S673129 (w/XK140 engine and C head)
1958 3.4 Litre Saloon / 1984 XJ6 4.2L / 1985 XJ6 VDP / 1986 XJ6 VDP
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From: “Kat moseley” <@Kat_moseley>
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Thanks for all the advice still coming in from various people I don’t
believe that the cam timing is out as I have double checked this and
also
it
is unlikley that the engine would have started and idled Ok previously.
I
have managed to get the engine to run for a few seconds by disconnecting
the
pump, holding full throttle and ignoring all the fuel spewing out. It
will
start and run very intermitently for about 5 - 10 secs then pick up and
rev
just before dying as you would expect as it runs out of fuel. This
suggests
to me that the problem is with the carbs. A thought has just occurred to
me - as the PO was dumb enough to fit the incorrect rotor arm it is
possible
that I have the incorrect main jet needles. I don’t know if this would
cause
such a drastic fault. I stripped the carbs down tonight and checked the
diaphragms - they both were flexible and I could not see any damage to
them - but this sounds like a good theory. I think I will get new
needles
and diaphragms and see what happens. The starting solenoid is working Ok
and
the level in the accelerating carb is also Ok. It doesn’t make any
difference if the starting solenoid is disconnected or not.
Just to make sure of the cam timing I have had the cam covers off and
turned
the crank manually whilst checking that the valves are going up and down
in
the correct order and at the correct time and so I am fairly certain
that
this part is OK.

I will let you all know what happens after fitting new carb bits.

Graham
1962 MK2 MOD 3.8

42

There is quite a bit of adjustment rotation to the distributor body. I would
try to static time the engine (by lining up the pointer with TDC and
checking for the spark at #1.) If you can’t get a spark by rotating the
distributor, something is wrong.

Make sure all the gas is cleaned up first. =:-O

The distributor is gear driven, so it would be possible to be off any number
of teeth. Unfortunately, that is down in the engine, and I think you’d have
to drop the oil pan to fix it. (Right guys?)

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
1952 XK120 Roadster #S673129 (w/XK140 engine and C head)
1958 3.4 Litre Saloon / 1984 XJ6 4.2L / 1985 XJ6 VDP / 1986 XJ6 VDP
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From: “Kat moseley” katmat@cmoseley.freeserve.co.uk
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hi again,
Thanks for all the further suggestions. Just to update everyone. I can
definitely eliminate the fuel pump as I have previosuly tried a gravity
feed
bean can, and as I have also tried only filling the float chambers to
about
the 3/4 mark and disconnectinmg the fuel supply it can not be a problem
with
the float needles.
I have also had a friend around for a whole day (who has many re builds of
classics to his name) and he is also baffled.
Spent yesterday and part of today completely stripping the carbs again and
re assembled them but I cannot find any problems. Checked main jet needles
and they are the correct ones. (I now have a workshop manual). I have just
come in from the garage and before putting the carbs back on decided to re
check the cam timing and the ignition timing. I have noticed something
which
I think is odd and would like a second opinion. You may remember I had the
incorrect rotor arm. It was shorter and did not have the leading “tail”
hence when fitting the distributor cap the position of the plug lead
coming
out seemd OK. When fitting the cap with the new rotor and the carbs off
(can
get a better direct view) I notice that at the firing point for the front
(6) cylinder the trailing edge of the rotor is just leaving the correct
contact in the distributor and the leading edge is just short of the next
contact. I would assume that the leading edge should be on the firing
point.
My question - Is it possible to get the position of the hex cam in the
distributor out by 30 degrees. (this may explain why there was not such a
problem with the wrong rotor arm). I am having second thoughts about my
assumption above but then again why have the leading “tail” if not for
making the contact point??
Anyone care to look at their rotor in position and see which edge is on
the
contact??

Graham
1962 MK2 3.8 MOD

43

Hi There “Troubled One”
When you set the timing on the distributor, the spark from the rotor is
supposed to jump back to the post on the cap that the rotor is just leaving.
When I do this, I set the engine to the correct number of degrees BTDC as
per the pointer on the front of the engine, then I turn the distributor
AGAINST normal rotation till the points just start to open, (in this case
counter-clockwise)then check the position of the rotor as above, then wire
that post on the cap to the appropriate plug, either # 1 or #6 as the case
may be.
Hope that helps,
Dave Symington
66 S Type----- Original Message -----
From: Kat moseley katmat@cmoseley.freeserve.co.uk
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hi again,
Thanks for all the further suggestions. Just to update everyone. I can
definitely eliminate the fuel pump as I have previosuly tried a gravity
feed
bean can, and as I have also tried only filling the float chambers to
about
the 3/4 mark and disconnectinmg the fuel supply it can not be a problem
with
the float needles.
I have also had a friend around for a whole day (who has many re builds of
classics to his name) and he is also baffled.
Spent yesterday and part of today completely stripping the carbs again and
re assembled them but I cannot find any problems. Checked main jet needles
and they are the correct ones. (I now have a workshop manual). I have just
come in from the garage and before putting the carbs back on decided to re
check the cam timing and the ignition timing. I have noticed something
which
I think is odd and would like a second opinion. You may remember I had the
incorrect rotor arm. It was shorter and did not have the leading “tail”
hence when fitting the distributor cap the position of the plug lead
coming
out seemd OK. When fitting the cap with the new rotor and the carbs off
(can
get a better direct view) I notice that at the firing point for the front
(6) cylinder the trailing edge of the rotor is just leaving the correct
contact in the distributor and the leading edge is just short of the next
contact. I would assume that the leading edge should be on the firing
point.
My question - Is it possible to get the position of the hex cam in the
distributor out by 30 degrees. (this may explain why there was not such a
problem with the wrong rotor arm). I am having second thoughts about my
assumption above but then again why have the leading “tail” if not for
making the contact point??
Anyone care to look at their rotor in position and see which edge is on
the
contact??

Graham
1962 MK2 3.8 MOD

44

Sorry about that. . . I should have said . . . "then I turn the distributor

AGAINST normal rotation till the points just start to open, (in this case
clockwise)then check the position of the rotor as above" . . .
I’m getting too used to digital watches and forget which way is clockwise
and anti-clockwise.
Dave Symington----- Original Message -----
From: Dave, Diane, Christy Symington <@Dave_Diane_Christy_S>
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hi There “Troubled One”
When you set the timing on the distributor, the spark from the rotor is
supposed to jump back to the post on the cap that the rotor is just
leaving.
When I do this, I set the engine to the correct number of degrees BTDC as
per the pointer on the front of the engine, then I turn the distributor
AGAINST normal rotation till the points just start to open, (in this case
counter-clockwise)then check the position of the rotor as above, then wire
that post on the cap to the appropriate plug, either # 1 or #6 as the case
may be.
Hope that helps,
Dave Symington
66 S Type

----- Original Message -----
From: Kat moseley katmat@cmoseley.freeserve.co.uk
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hi again,
Thanks for all the further suggestions. Just to update everyone. I can
definitely eliminate the fuel pump as I have previosuly tried a gravity
feed
bean can, and as I have also tried only filling the float chambers to
about
the 3/4 mark and disconnectinmg the fuel supply it can not be a problem
with
the float needles.
I have also had a friend around for a whole day (who has many re builds
of
classics to his name) and he is also baffled.
Spent yesterday and part of today completely stripping the carbs again
and
re assembled them but I cannot find any problems. Checked main jet
needles
and they are the correct ones. (I now have a workshop manual). I have
just
come in from the garage and before putting the carbs back on decided to
re
check the cam timing and the ignition timing. I have noticed something
which
I think is odd and would like a second opinion. You may remember I had
the
incorrect rotor arm. It was shorter and did not have the leading “tail”
hence when fitting the distributor cap the position of the plug lead
coming
out seemd OK. When fitting the cap with the new rotor and the carbs off
(can
get a better direct view) I notice that at the firing point for the
front
(6) cylinder the trailing edge of the rotor is just leaving the correct
contact in the distributor and the leading edge is just short of the
next
contact. I would assume that the leading edge should be on the firing
point.
My question - Is it possible to get the position of the hex cam in the
distributor out by 30 degrees. (this may explain why there was not such
a
problem with the wrong rotor arm). I am having second thoughts about my
assumption above but then again why have the leading “tail” if not for
making the contact point??
Anyone care to look at their rotor in position and see which edge is on
the
contact??

Graham
1962 MK2 3.8 MOD

45

Dave, Diane Christy

I have just removed my distributor and noticed that the drive slot is 90
deg. out of position. Although being incorrect I think this should be Ok as
long as I set up the timing accordingly which I have. I assume that the
position given in the manual is so that the distributor can be inserted and
set up without physically hitting the cylinder block. Fortunately this one
is 90 deg in the right direction and although the vacuum tube is close to
the block it has sufficient gap. Thanks for the advice on the rotor firing
position, it would seem that mine is OK then. I will now go and re assemble
everything.

Peter
I agree with you, it sounds like a carb problem but I have gone over them
very carefully and completely stripped and re assembled them without finding
anything. I have also blown out all airways when they were apart.
Ref your previous reply “Instead of pulling the carbs off and checking the
diaphragms, let it run until it catches fire” I,m not that desperate YET to
set fire to it!!! - just kidding, I know what you mean.

Graham, 1962 MK2 3,8 MOD----- Original Message -----
From: Dave, Diane, Christy Symington symingtn@kootenaycable.com
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hi There “Troubled One”
When you set the timing on the distributor, the spark from the rotor is
supposed to jump back to the post on the cap that the rotor is just
leaving.
When I do this, I set the engine to the correct number of degrees BTDC as
per the pointer on the front of the engine, then I turn the distributor
AGAINST normal rotation till the points just start to open, (in this case
counter-clockwise)then check the position of the rotor as above, then wire
that post on the cap to the appropriate plug, either # 1 or #6 as the case
may be.
Hope that helps,
Dave Symington
66 S Type

----- Original Message -----
From: Kat moseley <@Kat_moseley>
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hi again,
Thanks for all the further suggestions. Just to update everyone. I can
definitely eliminate the fuel pump as I have previosuly tried a gravity
feed
bean can, and as I have also tried only filling the float chambers to
about
the 3/4 mark and disconnectinmg the fuel supply it can not be a problem
with
the float needles.
I have also had a friend around for a whole day (who has many re builds
of
classics to his name) and he is also baffled.
Spent yesterday and part of today completely stripping the carbs again
and
re assembled them but I cannot find any problems. Checked main jet
needles
and they are the correct ones. (I now have a workshop manual). I have
just
come in from the garage and before putting the carbs back on decided to
re
check the cam timing and the ignition timing. I have noticed something
which
I think is odd and would like a second opinion. You may remember I had
the
incorrect rotor arm. It was shorter and did not have the leading “tail”
hence when fitting the distributor cap the position of the plug lead
coming
out seemd OK. When fitting the cap with the new rotor and the carbs off
(can
get a better direct view) I notice that at the firing point for the
front
(6) cylinder the trailing edge of the rotor is just leaving the correct
contact in the distributor and the leading edge is just short of the
next
contact. I would assume that the leading edge should be on the firing
point.
My question - Is it possible to get the position of the hex cam in the
distributor out by 30 degrees. (this may explain why there was not such
a
problem with the wrong rotor arm). I am having second thoughts about my
assumption above but then again why have the leading “tail” if not for
making the contact point??
Anyone care to look at their rotor in position and see which edge is on
the
contact??

Graham
1962 MK2 3.8 MOD

46

Hello Jag lovers.

I’ve just joined the list and as I understand it is custom to introduce
yourself.

My name is Cock Ooms and I am from The Netherlands to some of you bettter
known as Holland (Europe).
So if my English is not to good please remember it is not my own language
and do ask me to clarify if I did not express me clearly.

I joined the list since I am a absolute classic car nut and own a range of
mainly Italian cars.
I hope that the list members will not hold it against me but Italian cars
are my first love (in cars that is)
My speciality are the big 6-in line Fiats of the fifties and sixties of
which I run the Dutch register . (www.geocities.com/fiatregister)

Nevertheless I also own a pair of classic Renaults, a 59 Buick and ,
important to you guys, a '53 Jaguar MK VII aut. and (its rival ?) a Bentley
S1.
It all started as a hobby but over the years it has grown and grown and for
the last 8 years I have operated a small wedding car firm.
At first only with the Buick but since about 2 years I also operate the
Jaguar MK VII

Since about 6 months I am self-employed in providing service to local
classic car enthousiasts and ofcourse my wedding car firm.
Please do not mistake me for someone who sees old cars as a means of making
a living.
I had a good yob but wanted to spent more time at my passion hence the name
of my business : Classic Passion

To the point now : My Jaguar is in a good condition .
I had the engine reconditioned and built it in myself and in the procces
corrected numurous faults on the car.
The bulkhead needed some welding at the interior air intake box which I
also did myself
I also had to modify the cooling because of the fact that I tend to drive
rather slow in warm weather a a result of the wedding care hire.
I therefore built a small converted electric fan of a Nissan Sunny (which
is very very slim) in front of the radiator wich is operated buy a manual
(concealed) switch on the dashboard.
This works very well and costed my about $ 7 which is a lot cheaper than a
Kenlowe fan.

The car is in old english white with a red leather interior, in my humble
opinion a very nice combination and ofcourse ideal for weddings.
It has a sliding roof and for those of you who are interested it can be
seen at my site:
www.geocities.com/classicweddingcars

Since I finished it some two years ago I have done little work on it.
A problem came when I had too much play on the steering box.
The bearings had damaged the rod so I now have a completely different
bearing arrangement so that this problem cannot occur again.
Alas I have still some play on the worm but I was not able to obtain a new
, not power assisted , LHD one
The only other problem has been a broken traffic indicator switch which
proved to be rather costly to replace.
Currently I have a battery charging problem wich appaers to be in the
regulator.

Cock Ooms

'53 Jaguar MK VII
'56 Bentley S1
'59 Buick Le Sabre
'60 Renault Floride
'63 Fiat 600 Multipla (first MPV !)
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe blue
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe red
'66 Fiat 2300S coupe
'66 Fiat 2300 Familiare
'68 Fiat 1800 berlina
'68 Iso Grifo (if you are really in a hurry !)
'70 Renault 8 Gordini
'75 Fiat 127
'91 Lancia Thema Pininfarina

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Welcome to the list.

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Cock,
Welcome to the List.
Regards
Terry Handley
Bathurst
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From: “CWC Ooms” cwc.ooms@hetnet.nl
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hello Jag lovers.

I’ve just joined the list and as I understand it is custom to introduce
yourself.

My name is Cock Ooms and I am from The Netherlands to some of you bettter
known as Holland (Europe).
So if my English is not to good please remember it is not my own language
and do ask me to clarify if I did not express me clearly.

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Let me add my good wishes to you as a new list member, and let me thank you
sincerely for listing more cars than I would ever want (I think)-I will be sure
to remind my wife that collectors like you exist-Welcome…

CWC Ooms wrote:

Hello Jag lovers.

I’ve just joined the list and as I understand it is custom to introduce
yourself.

My name is Cock Ooms and I am from The Netherlands to some of you bettter
known as Holland (Europe).
So if my English is not to good please remember it is not my own language
and do ask me to clarify if I did not express me clearly.

I joined the list since I am a absolute classic car nut and own a range of
mainly Italian cars.
I hope that the list members will not hold it against me but Italian cars
are my first love (in cars that is)
My speciality are the big 6-in line Fiats of the fifties and sixties of
which I run the Dutch register . (Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos)

Nevertheless I also own a pair of classic Renaults, a 59 Buick and ,
important to you guys, a '53 Jaguar MK VII aut. and (its rival ?) a Bentley
S1.
It all started as a hobby but over the years it has grown and grown and for
the last 8 years I have operated a small wedding car firm.
At first only with the Buick but since about 2 years I also operate the
Jaguar MK VII

Since about 6 months I am self-employed in providing service to local
classic car enthousiasts and ofcourse my wedding car firm.
Please do not mistake me for someone who sees old cars as a means of making
a living.
I had a good yob but wanted to spent more time at my passion hence the name
of my business : Classic Passion

To the point now : My Jaguar is in a good condition .
I had the engine reconditioned and built it in myself and in the procces
corrected numurous faults on the car.
The bulkhead needed some welding at the interior air intake box which I
also did myself
I also had to modify the cooling because of the fact that I tend to drive
rather slow in warm weather a a result of the wedding care hire.
I therefore built a small converted electric fan of a Nissan Sunny (which
is very very slim) in front of the radiator wich is operated buy a manual
(concealed) switch on the dashboard.
This works very well and costed my about $ 7 which is a lot cheaper than a
Kenlowe fan.

The car is in old english white with a red leather interior, in my humble
opinion a very nice combination and ofcourse ideal for weddings.
It has a sliding roof and for those of you who are interested it can be
seen at my site:
Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos

Since I finished it some two years ago I have done little work on it.
A problem came when I had too much play on the steering box.
The bearings had damaged the rod so I now have a completely different
bearing arrangement so that this problem cannot occur again.
Alas I have still some play on the worm but I was not able to obtain a new
, not power assisted , LHD one
The only other problem has been a broken traffic indicator switch which
proved to be rather costly to replace.
Currently I have a battery charging problem wich appaers to be in the
regulator.

Cock Ooms

'53 Jaguar MK VII
'56 Bentley S1
'59 Buick Le Sabre
'60 Renault Floride
'63 Fiat 600 Multipla (first MPV !)
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe blue
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe red
'66 Fiat 2300S coupe
'66 Fiat 2300 Familiare
'68 Fiat 1800 berlina
'68 Iso Grifo (if you are really in a hurry !)
'70 Renault 8 Gordini
'75 Fiat 127
'91 Lancia Thema Pininfarina

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Cock, welkom by die Lys.

Groete

Riaan Hattingh
Suid Afrika
1967 3.8 S-type

cwc.ooms@hetnet.nl 02/06/01 11:53PM >>>
Hello Jag lovers.

I’ve just joined the list and as I understand it is custom to
introduce
yourself.

My name is Cock Ooms and I am from The Netherlands to some of you
bettter
known as Holland (Europe).
So if my English is not to good please remember it is not my own
language
and do ask me to clarify if I did not express me clearly.

I joined the list since I am a absolute classic car nut and own a range
of
mainly Italian cars.
I hope that the list members will not hold it against me but Italian
cars
are my first love (in cars that is)
My speciality are the big 6-in line Fiats of the fifties and sixties
of
which I run the Dutch register . (Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos)

Nevertheless I also own a pair of classic Renaults, a 59 Buick and ,
important to you guys, a '53 Jaguar MK VII aut. and (its rival ?) a
Bentley
S1.
It all started as a hobby but over the years it has grown and grown and
for
the last 8 years I have operated a small wedding car firm.
At first only with the Buick but since about 2 years I also operate
the
Jaguar MK VII

Since about 6 months I am self-employed in providing service to local
classic car enthousiasts and ofcourse my wedding car firm.
Please do not mistake me for someone who sees old cars as a means of
making
a living.
I had a good yob but wanted to spent more time at my passion hence the
name
of my business : Classic Passion

To the point now : My Jaguar is in a good condition .
I had the engine reconditioned and built it in myself and in the
procces
corrected numurous faults on the car.
The bulkhead needed some welding at the interior air intake box which
I
also did myself
I also had to modify the cooling because of the fact that I tend to
drive
rather slow in warm weather a a result of the wedding care hire.
I therefore built a small converted electric fan of a Nissan Sunny
(which
is very very slim) in front of the radiator wich is operated buy a
manual
(concealed) switch on the dashboard.
This works very well and costed my about $ 7 which is a lot cheaper
than a
Kenlowe fan.

The car is in old english white with a red leather interior, in my
humble
opinion a very nice combination and ofcourse ideal for weddings.
It has a sliding roof and for those of you who are interested it can
be
seen at my site:

Since I finished it some two years ago I have done little work on it.
A problem came when I had too much play on the steering box.
The bearings had damaged the rod so I now have a completely different
bearing arrangement so that this problem cannot occur again.
Alas I have still some play on the worm but I was not able to obtain a
new
, not power assisted , LHD one
The only other problem has been a broken traffic indicator switch
which
proved to be rather costly to replace.
Currently I have a battery charging problem wich appaers to be in the
regulator.

Cock Ooms

'53 Jaguar MK VII
'56 Bentley S1
'59 Buick Le Sabre
'60 Renault Floride
'63 Fiat 600 Multipla (first MPV !)
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe blue
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe red
'66 Fiat 2300S coupe
'66 Fiat 2300 Familiare
'68 Fiat 1800 berlina
'68 Iso Grifo (if you are really in a hurry !)
'70 Renault 8 Gordini
'75 Fiat 127
'91 Lancia Thema Pininfarina

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Dear Ooms,

Please let me extend a very warm welcome to you from Western Kansas, in the
very center of the U.S.A… We are all here to help one another, so please feel
free to ask any time you have a problem with your Jaguar. You will be amazed a
the level of expertise that is available when you need it. We have owned 9
Jaguars over the last 33 years and dearly loved each and every one of them. My
current drive is a 1959 Mark IX Saloon which I have had for 36 years. I’m
afraid my only knowledge of Italian cars is the 1961 Ferrari I owned from 1970
until 1973 which I loved also.

Again, we all welcome you to the group and look forward to hearing from you
regularly

C. K. Schaffer
Western Kansas
'59 Mark IX

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Hi Cock,

Welcome to the list!

No need to excuse yourself for operating a wedding service, the list of cars
you own are a guarantee for a real classic car lover in my opinion, but that
is from one dutchman to another…

The Fiats are lovely, but my likings in your impressive list go to the
Bentley S1 and the Iso Grifo. I am in Holland regularly and would love to
look you up on the odd occasion. I am sure we have some mutual friends in
that little part of the world!

I am a Dutch expatriot, living in South Africa, and am restoring a MkII. I
hope that somewhere in the near future I can own an S1-III or equivalent
Cloud. ( A friend is restoring a Cloud II drophead)
As for Italians: I used to have a De Tomaso Deauville, and the wishlist is
long…( a Grifo 7 Litri amongst it)

Mail me off-list at @Jack_Verschuur

Enjoy the wheels,

Jack
Durban/South Africa
'66 MkII 3.8 MOD
'69 Wolseley 16/60 auto
long wishlist

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Sent: 06 February 2001 11:53
To: saloons@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [Saloon-lovers] Introduction

Hello Jag lovers.

I’ve just joined the list and as I understand it is custom to introduce
yourself.

My name is Cock Ooms and I am from The Netherlands to some of you bettter
known as Holland (Europe).
So if my English is not to good please remember it is not my own language
and do ask me to clarify if I did not express me clearly.

I joined the list since I am a absolute classic car nut and own a range of
mainly Italian cars.
I hope that the list members will not hold it against me but Italian cars
are my first love (in cars that is)
My speciality are the big 6-in line Fiats of the fifties and sixties of
which I run the Dutch register . (Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos)

Nevertheless I also own a pair of classic Renaults, a 59 Buick and ,
important to you guys, a '53 Jaguar MK VII aut. and (its rival ?)
a Bentley
S1.
It all started as a hobby but over the years it has grown and
grown and for
the last 8 years I have operated a small wedding car firm.
At first only with the Buick but since about 2 years I also operate the
Jaguar MK VII

Since about 6 months I am self-employed in providing service to local
classic car enthousiasts and ofcourse my wedding car firm.
Please do not mistake me for someone who sees old cars as a means
of making
a living.
I had a good yob but wanted to spent more time at my passion
hence the name
of my business : Classic Passion

To the point now : My Jaguar is in a good condition .
I had the engine reconditioned and built it in myself and in the procces
corrected numurous faults on the car.
The bulkhead needed some welding at the interior air intake box which I
also did myself
I also had to modify the cooling because of the fact that I tend to drive
rather slow in warm weather a a result of the wedding care hire.
I therefore built a small converted electric fan of a Nissan Sunny (which
is very very slim) in front of the radiator wich is operated buy a manual
(concealed) switch on the dashboard.
This works very well and costed my about $ 7 which is a lot cheaper than a
Kenlowe fan.

The car is in old english white with a red leather interior, in my humble
opinion a very nice combination and ofcourse ideal for weddings.
It has a sliding roof and for those of you who are interested it can be
seen at my site:
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Since I finished it some two years ago I have done little work on it.
A problem came when I had too much play on the steering box.
The bearings had damaged the rod so I now have a completely different
bearing arrangement so that this problem cannot occur again.
Alas I have still some play on the worm but I was not able to obtain a new
, not power assisted , LHD one
The only other problem has been a broken traffic indicator switch which
proved to be rather costly to replace.
Currently I have a battery charging problem wich appaers to be in the
regulator.

Cock Ooms

'53 Jaguar MK VII
'56 Bentley S1
'59 Buick Le Sabre
'60 Renault Floride
'63 Fiat 600 Multipla (first MPV !)
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe blue
'65 Fiat 2300S coupe red
'66 Fiat 2300S coupe
'66 Fiat 2300 Familiare
'68 Fiat 1800 berlina
'68 Iso Grifo (if you are really in a hurry !)
'70 Renault 8 Gordini
'75 Fiat 127
'91 Lancia Thema Pininfarina

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Mr. Schaffer,

Would that hap[pen to have been a 250GTE?

Tom Carson
1962 Mark 2, 3.8 MOD
1954 XK 120SE OTS, S674946
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From: dusky@ruraltel.net (C. K. Schaffer)
I’m
afraid my only knowledge of Italian cars is the 1961 Ferrari I owned from 1970
until 1973 which I loved also.

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I see that I made a typing error. I have owned the Mark IX for 16 years, not the
36 years that I typed!

“C. K. Schaffer” wrote:

Dear Cock,

Please let me extend a very warm welcome to you from Western Kansas, in the
very center of the U.S.A… We are all here to help one another, so please feel
free to ask any time you have a problem with your Jaguar. You will be amazed a
the level of expertise that is available when you need it. We have owned 9
Jaguars over the last 33 years and dearly loved each and every one of them. My
current drive is a 1959 Mark IX Saloon which I have had for 36 years. I’m
afraid my only knowledge of Italian cars is the 1961 Ferrari I owned from 1970
until 1973 which I loved also.

Again, we all welcome you to the group and look forward to hearing from you
regularly

C. K. Schaffer
Western Kansas
'59 Mark IX

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Hi Listers,

Not sure if I am doing this correctly. I have never been a member of a =
chat on the computer. Allow me to introduce myself. I am William =
Pelfrey. Everyone calls me Butch. Guess I never really grew up!! I am =
a retired U.S. Marine and have three British cars, a 63 MKII, 93 XJ-6, =
58 Austin-Healey Sprite, and one 70 Ford Mustang with the BOSS 351 =
engine. I have beee the caretaker (no one truly owns one) of British =
automobiles for some 26 years. I am fortunate to live in southern =
California and can drive my autos year round. Thanks for allowing me to =
enter this listing and perhaps I can contribute something of use.

Butch Pelfrey
Twentynine Palms, CA

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Butch,

Welcome aboard! I guess we’ll forgive you for the Mustang - at least it’s a
'70 and not one of the new ugly ones… :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Allan–
Allan Kirson
'62 Mark 10

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I just subscribed to the Saloons email and somehow got this sent to me by
mistake. Please make sure all links are correct. thanks. Jan Kaulins

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Today I bought a “1959” Mk. I 3.4 automatic to go into the “one day I’ll get
to it queue” alongside my other project cars, which includes an early
E-Type. The Mk. I is a real “barn find” and has been off the road since
1973, when it must have been in decent shape except a blown head gasket.
It’s now rather sad. I put “1959” in quotes since the car number is
S987xxxBW (as I recall, it’s not in front of me) which I think makes it
earlier than that.

You can see some rather bad pictures here: http://rogerlos.org/mk1/

Jaguars I’ve owned in the past include a '66 E-Type FHC, a '68 340, '84 XJS,
'87 XJ6, '88 XJ6, and '95 XJR. (I have no savings, in other words.)

I paid the princely sum of $900 for the car, probably $850 too much but the
only other offer was from someone who wanted to “hot rod” it, and so duty
called. The former owner has graciously allowed me to store the Mk. I at his
place until I get my shop finished, hopefully by next spring.

There’s plenty of rust but it remains for a strip-down and blasting to see
if it’s hopelessly terminal.

I am the person to blame for http://xkedata.com and http://xkdata.com …
And soon, I hope, a similar site for saloons (need to figure out the myriad
serial numbers, though, and exactly which models to cover…a winter
project, any insight would be welcome).

Roger Los
http://rustyheaps.com

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In reply to a message from Roger Los sent Sun 10 Sep 2006:

Roger, Congratulations on your new purchase!! I have a similar car
in similar condition waiting on some TLC. Just beginning. So
congrats on your new purchase. I wonder if buying an old car in
need of restoration is a lot like what they say about buying a
boat, the best days are the days you purchased it and you sold it.

In the meantime there is a lot of satisfaction to be derived about
giving these sedans new found beauty again.

GIven what we know about SN’s it does seem like your car may be
earlier than '59. My Mk I was titled as a 60, but with the SN:
S990011BW, it is ‘‘midstream’’ of the production, and probably not
later than '59. I have more to learn.

I am excited learning about your own registry for the XK and XKE’s
on line. I have been comtemplating the possibility for creating a
similar online registry site for the Mk I sedans, given that there
were so few made, something like 17,000 of them with half that
number being LHD models and mostly sent to the US. I see so few of
this model if any at all, I speculate their numbers are probably
not much more than 100 or so left. But a registry such as what
you’ve done for the XK’s would do so much to find that out.
Needless to say I fully support your efforts if you move forward
with that.

Also, we should keep in touch for common experiences as we begin
our restorations. For my part I seek to keep my car fully original,
especially w/motor, trans. Some upgrades to suspension might be
practical.

Cape Cod Bret–
CapeCod Bret
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In reply to a message from Roger Los sent Sun 10 Sep 2006:

Hi Roger,

I am used to seeing your posts on the E-Type list. I am
rebuilding a Mk 2. It is in slightly better shape then yours.

Best of luck with this additional project.

Shelley Yoelin–
61 MK 2- 69 E FHC
La Grange Park, IL, United States
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