[xj] Jaguar Tri Carb SetUp

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Noticed this listing in the Fresno (California, USA) Craig’s
List. Don’t know how long it has been there and I don’t know
how long it will last.

http://fresno.craigslist.org/pts/2536427478.html

I had toyed with the idea doing a triple carburetor set up
on Old Red. However, she is running just fine the way she is
and I really have no need or desire to fool with that. I
just want to keep her running that way.

The listed telephone number translates to someplace in the
Fresno/Clovis metropolitan area.

Usual disclaimers here, NO AFFILIATION, YADA, YADA, YADA!

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In reply to a message from GSTompkins sent Sun 14 Aug 2011:

Looks like a good deal since the carbs typically have a core value
of about $100 each; and the manifold might be worth the same.
Dave Harlan
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Noticed this listing in the Fresno (California, USA) Craig’s
List. Don’t know how long it has been there and I don’t know
how long it will last.
http://fresno.craigslist.org/pts/2536427478.html

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David (or Gordon, not sure who sent this first),

Thanks very much for this post, I just bought the carbs and manifold and they are on their way to me
right now.

The triple manifold and SU carbs will look great in my 1969 S1 XJ!

Seems that the seller had a MK-10 years ago and these are the carbs off of it. He has been slowly
parting it out and these are the last of the parts aside from some weather-stripping and so on. Evidently
these had been overhauled in 1994 but have been sitting since, so betting that the rubber parts inside
are going to get replaced again.

Still a good deal and appreciate the post!

Thanks,

Joe Abrahamson
Phoenix> In reply to a message from GSTompkins sent Sun 14 Aug 2011:

Looks like a good deal since the carbs typically have a core value
of about $100 each; and the manifold might be worth the same.
Dave Harlan
72 XJ6

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Noticed this listing in the Fresno (California, USA) Craig’s
List. Don’t know how long it has been there and I don’t know
how long it will last.
http://fresno.craigslist.org/pts/2536427478.html

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Joe,

Glad it worked out for somebody. I almost bought them and
then decided I need to get some of my current projects
finished before I just flat run out of ambition!–
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Thanks very much for this post, I just bought the carbs and manifold and they are on their way to me
right now.
Still a good deal and appreciate the post!
Thanks,

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Joe,

A good deal for sure. I noticed in the photo that it’s
missing some of the automatic choke plumbing, etc.

You might ask if he has that. And, if you would be so kind,
I’m looking for the 7/8 inch diameter steel pipe (with
various bends) that fits between the crankcase breather on
the front of the head and a pipe stub that exits from the
bottom of the aluminum air box. Mind asking him if he has it?–
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The triple manifold and SU carbs will look great in my 1969 S1 XJ!

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Joe,
That is excellent value in my opinion. I suggest you explore
the manual choke option. I recently swaped out my stromburgs
for twin SUs and a manual choke with excellent results.

Philip Prior
Adelaide, South Australia
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1966 S Type 3.4 ltr. Auto
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Thanks very much for this post, I just bought the carbs and manifold and they are on their way to me
right now.
The triple manifold and SU carbs will look great in my 1969 S1 XJ!

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Philip,

Thanks and I have 2 two inch SU’s on the car now but its using the old Strangleberg manifold.

This will give me the proper manifold and a 3 carb setup. Am hoping to take the manual choke bits off
of the current setup and use them with the new.

Thanks,

Joe A> In reply to a message from @joe1 sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Joe,
That is excellent value in my opinion. I suggest you explore
the manual choke option. I recently swaped out my stromburgs
for twin SUs and a manual choke with excellent results.

Philip Prior
Adelaide, South Australia

–
The original message included these comments:

Thanks very much for this post, I just bought the carbs and manifold and they are on their way to me
right now.
The triple manifold and SU carbs will look great in my 1969 S1 XJ!

–
PhilipP

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Perfect! You will have the optimal setup. Just block off
the ports in the manifold where the automatic choke is
supposed to feed. Put your two manual choke carbs front and
rear–this will get rid of the manual choke attached to the
front carb.

You might (or might not) have some clearance problems
between the front carb and the bonnet. Can be solved.–
The original message included these comments:

Thanks and I have 2 two inch SU’s on the car now but its using the old Strangleberg manifold.
This will give me the proper manifold and a 3 carb setup. Am hoping to take the manual choke bits off
of the current setup and use them with the new.

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Bob,

I have heard that some manifolds require the use of a shorter dashpot on the front carb, but that other
manifolds do not, so will play with it and see.

Am guessing that the MK-10 manifold might be the one that works without the different dashpot but not
sure yet. It appears that the carbs are canted down just a bit over that of an E-Type triple carb
manifold.

Joe A> In reply to a message from @joe1 sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Perfect! You will have the optimal setup. Just block off
the ports in the manifold where the automatic choke is
supposed to feed. Put your two manual choke carbs front and
rear–this will get rid of the manual choke attached to the
front carb.

You might (or might not) have some clearance problems
between the front carb and the bonnet. Can be solved.

The original message included these comments:

Thanks and I have 2 two inch SU’s on the car now but its using the old Strangleberg manifold.
This will give me the proper manifold and a 3 carb setup. Am hoping to take the manual choke bits off
of the current setup and use them with the new.

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Saint Louis

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Opposite way round Joe. The E-type manifolds are lower than the
sedan triple carb sets. The listing was gone when I looked but if
you have the short dashpot tops you should be OK. As it happens, I
have a 420 complete set-up sitting here which I will try on the
Strangleberg 2+2 when I collect it. In theory it should not fit and
I have said so to other people often enough. It’s the reason the
sedam triple sets are so much chealer than E-type parts.

If it turns out that in fact a sedan set up does squeeze under an E-
type bonnet, I will be sure to buy up as many sets as I can
before announcing this fact… :slight_smile:

Bob, I have the same sort of breather/air plenum issue on my OTS
but am just using a big hose instead of the Jag steel pipe. I guess
you are too?–
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I have heard that some manifolds require the use of a shorter dashpot on the front carb, but that other
manifolds do not, so will play with it and see.
Am guessing that the MK-10 manifold might be the one that works without the different dashpot but not
sure yet. It appears that the carbs are canted down just a bit over that of an E-Type triple carb
manifold.

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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Tue 16 Aug 2011:

‘‘If it turns out that in fact a sedan set up does squeeze
under an E-type bonnet, I will be sure to buy up as many
sets as I can before announcing this fact… :-)’’

They fit fine, Pete–you just have to flip them upside-down.
See posts by Andyzac in this thread:

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Right, the breather is the same on the Mark X and early
E-types. I think it’s the nicest looking breather of the
many variants available. I’m using a piece of 7/8 ID
thin-walled hose that is standard US dishwasher drain hose.
I’d like to fit a copper or steel pipe with short hose
segments at the ends, but I’d like to see how the factory
one was bent, and where it attached. Is there not a similar
pipe for the E? Perhaps not, as your airbox is separate
from the engine. The Mark X airbox is attached, so there’s
no movement between the airbox and the breather.–
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Bob, I have the same sort of breather/air plenum issue on my OTS
but am just using a big hose instead of the Jag steel pipe. I guess
you are too?

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Well I have good and bad news about the triple carbs and manifold.

The good news is that the carbs and manifold have arrived.

The bad news is that whoever packed them in the box needs to find another line of work. The manifold
and carbs were put into a large cardboard box with no packing material what so ever and shipped
ground from Fresno California to Phoenix.

When they arrived the assembly had punched several good sized holes in the box but all of the big bits
remained inside. When I got it opened found the assy rattling around inside the box with a good 4-5"
space on all sides, so it was like a pin-ball machine inside there.

SU builds things pretty tough and so far all the damage I have found is that the rear float bowl assy
was broken clean off of the carb.

Its part 40a in this diagram
http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ExplodedImageClassic.aspx?ProductId=10452&ref=Essentials

Burlen shows it but does not show it in stock, so am guessing that its NLA or no longer available.

Anyone have any idea where I can get a spare float bowl for this carb and an idea on a price? If it were
not fuel related might think about trying to have it welded, but not with this.

Thanks,

Joe A
Phoenix

Philip,

Thanks and I have 2 two inch SU’s on the car now but its using the old Strangleberg manifold.

This will give me the proper manifold and a 3 carb setup. Am hoping to take the manual choke bits
off
of the current setup and use them with the new.

Thanks,

Joe A

In reply to a message from @joe1 sent Mon 15 Aug 2011:

Joe,
That is excellent value in my opinion. I suggest you explore
the manual choke option. I recently swaped out my stromburgs
for twin SUs and a manual choke with excellent results.

Philip Prior
Adelaide, South Australia

–
The original message included these comments:

Thanks very much for this post, I just bought the carbs and manifold and they are on their way to
me> > > right now.
The triple manifold and SU carbs will look great in my 1969 S1 XJ!

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Sun 21 Aug 2011:

Was the package insured? probably not! There must be plenty
of these carbs available second hand Burlen may have stock
new or used. There are other SU repairers in UK Carburettor
Exchange in Leighton Buzzard, Gower & Lee in Watford.
Must be suppliers or breakers in USA…? if not try
Jaguar Breakers in North Wales UK www.davidkellycars.co.uk
or Eurojag richard@eurojag.com–
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Anyone have any idea where I can get a spare float bowl for this carb and an idea on a price? If it were
not fuel related might think about trying to have it welded, but not with this.

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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Sun 21 Aug 2011:

Joe,

You say in an earlier post that you already have a couple of
HD8s and that you will use those front and back because
they’re manual choke?

Anyway, IIRC David B. had a few SU bits obtained in one of
his bulk purchases a few years back. I also saw a float
bowl in ebay recently.–
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Anyone have any idea where I can get a spare float bowl for this carb and an idea on a price? If it were

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joe@joea.com wrote:

Well I have good and bad news about the triple carbs and manifold.

The good news is that the carbs and manifold have arrived.

The bad news is that whoever packed them in the box needs to find another line of work. The manifold
and carbs were put into a large cardboard box with no packing material what so ever and shipped
ground from Fresno California to Phoenix.

When they arrived the assembly had punched several good sized holes in the box but all of the big bits
remained inside. When I got it opened found the assy rattling around inside the box with a good 4-5"
space on all sides, so it was like a pin-ball machine inside there.

SU builds things pretty tough and so far all the damage I have found is that the rear float bowl assy
was broken clean off of the carb.

Its part 40a in this diagram
http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ExplodedImageClassic.aspx?ProductId=10452&ref=Essentials

Burlen shows it but does not show it in stock, so am guessing that its NLA or no longer available.

Anyone have any idea where I can get a spare float bowl for this carb and an idea on a price? If it were
not fuel related might think about trying to have it welded, but not with this.

Being fuel related should not negate a welding job, Joe…

Aluminum welding is highly specialized, but unless there is some serious
deformation and the inside fuel passages are kept clean; it should be
doable. However; a replacement, as advised by others, is likely the
better option - and some carful examination of all the parts certainly
pertinent…

Frank
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In reply to a message from joe@joea.com sent Sun 21 Aug 2011:

Try this link. Extra expense I know but???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1228-Jaguar-SU-HD-AUC2009-Carburetor-Float-Chamber-/220630948484?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item335ea11a84

Philip Prior
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2004 XJ8 X350
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1976 XJ6C Convertible (DHC)
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In reply to a message from Robert Wilkinson sent Tue 16 Aug 2011:

Interestin,g but not pretty reading…

Some misinformation in the thread (the sedan manifolds do not slope
upwards) and some horrendous suggestions for what would surely be
the ugliest intake system imaginable. The mind boggles at an upside
down manifold, linkage up top complete with a linkage cable, and a
stack of ugly water and vac hoses snaking along the length of the
engine bay to connect reversed water and vac outlets. Ugh…

If it came to it on the E-type, I’d just get the manifold faces
milled at slight but opposite angles and open the stud holes a tad
to drop the carbs down and keep them horizontal.

Pete
Pete–
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They fit fine, Pete–you just have to flip them upside-down.
See posts by Andyzac in this thread:

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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Mon 22 Aug 2011:

I was hoping you’d be amused, Pete. You could sell the
manifolds to your friends, and explain fitment details after
the sale.

It does boggle the mind. There are several threads where
that guy alludes to his upside-down manifold. I read
everything I could find about the Mark X manifold when I was
fitting mine. He mentions having the setup in his E for
something like 18 years. Later, he finally procures a
proper manifold.

I’ve seen only one Mark X manifold (my own 4.2). It
definitely slopes up. But I agree that common wisdom is
that they don’t. Perhaps there were two versions.

Common wisdom is also that they fit the XJ6. That wasn’t
true in my case, and in several others found in the
archives. The front dashpot cap was about an inch above the
bonnet. I milled the manifold faces exactly as you describe
to make it fit. Of course that doesn’t prove that it slopes
up, but I’m positive that mine did–I made quite a lot of
measurements before determining how much to mill off. It’s
now about horizontal.

You couldn’t mill more than I did to get it to slope down (I
took 0.10 inch off of the bottom of the face that mounts to
the head). You might put in a wedge–that’s in the
archives–but for fitting to an XJ, not an E.

I’ve never figured out why some folks fit these manifolds to
XJs with no problem and others have to modify. I wonder how
much engine rotation is possible by shifting left and right
after loosening the motor mounts? Some may have had their
intake side lower to begin with.–
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Some misinformation in the thread (the sedan manifolds do not slope
upwards) and some horrendous suggestions for what would surely be
the ugliest intake system imaginable. The mind boggles at an upside
down manifold, linkage up top complete with a linkage cable, and a
If it came to it on the E-type, I’d just get the manifold faces
milled at slight but opposite angles and open the stud holes a tad
to drop the carbs down and keep them horizontal.

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Bob,

Had thought about doing this but then one of the two carbs on my car would then be relegated to a
“spares” situation.

To tell the truth have had a couple of people asking about selling the two 2" SU carbs for their car and
wanted to keep both of them functioning.

Have since found a float bowl from Joe Curto, the SU specialist in NYC for a reasonable price.

Thx,

Joe A> In reply to a message from @joe1 sent Sun 21 Aug 2011:

Joe,

You say in an earlier post that you already have a couple of
HD8s and that you will use those front and back because
they’re manual choke?

Anyway, IIRC David B. had a few SU bits obtained in one of
his bulk purchases a few years back. I also saw a float
bowl in ebay recently.

The original message included these comments:

Anyone have any idea where I can get a spare float bowl for this carb and an idea on a price? If it were

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Saint Louis

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Philip,

Thanks much for this! I looked for a long time on Ebay yesterday but could not find one there.

Have just received an email from Joe Curto in NYC and he has one for about half this price, so am
going to go with him on this.

Thx,

Joe A> In reply to a message from @joe1 sent Sun 21 Aug 2011:

Try this link. Extra expense I know but???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1228-Jaguar-SU-HD-AUC2009-Carburetor-Float-Chamber-/220630948484?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item335ea11a84

Philip Prior
Adelaide, South Australia

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