[xj] What's the Dumbest Thing a Previous Owner's Done to an XJ6?

OK, I’ve had a lot of old cars over the years: some
projects, some ‘nice’. I’ve never had two cars welded
together, but everything else.

However, something I just found on my ‘new’ XJ6 Series 1
prompts me to ask: is this the dumbest thing ever done to a
Jaguar??

I knew from the first day of owning the car that the
original fuel pumps had been replaced with one modern pump,
mounted along the edge of the spare wheel well. OK, fine.
The spare wheel was missing. No problem. I found a new wheel
on Ebay, had a tire mounted on it and tried to put it in its
place. Except that whoever fitted the fuel poump put it in a
place where it was impossible to fit the spare wheel in too:
not even a chance. It took me all day to tear it out again
and re-plumb the whole system. There was an incorrect wheel
in the trunk, so they did know…

WELL DONE. This person has now won my ‘Previous Owner of the
Year 2008’ award. I’ve seen dangerous repairs, bad repairs;
My 2007 award went to whoever used expanding foam to repair
the rocker panels on my father-in-law’s Alfa Spyder, though
they did do the paint nicely afterwards.

Surely I’m not alone in buying cars from total idiots??

Bruce–
1972 XJ6, Chevy V8 Power
Los Angeles, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

Bruce:

You and I are a bit vulnerable in the views of some. Why, ask me no
quetions, and I’ll tell you no lies!!!

-:slight_smile: -:slight_smile:

Yes, Sometime ago, I saw a red 71 Mustang that I was interested
in. The seller had removed the idiot light bulb for oil pressure
and started the motor for me. He didn’t want me to notethat the
light didn’t come on with the ignition and go our on starting or to
hear the valve or main noise. Nevertheless, it ran well, although a
lot of blue came out if you revved it. The motor still had a lot of
pep and had endured this thug. I felt sorry for his pregnant wife.
The rest of the car was quite restorable (?). He wanted 1200, he
got 800. Did he really believe he could hide the poor motor?

I cleaned it up, polished the poor paint job until it looked good,
cleaned and repaired the interior and had a nice driver. it really
ran and drove nice. I never fixed the idiot light as I knew it had
poor oil pressure. It did have a nice sounding exhaust. Tough
little 302’s.

I sold it with the same engine. I told the buyer up front that the
idiot light was out. He quickly realized the engine was well worn
and pointed it out. I readily agreed. But, he said he had a good
used motor and that was not an issue. Sold.

Sectioning cars had two meanings. One was in the custom field and
meant takking a horizontal strio out at about the belt line to form
a lower silhouette. Some of the slab sided 60’s car looked quite
good. I saw a nice black 27 For 4 door with that modification.
alone. Real nice.

The other is taking the front portion of a rearned cart and joining
it to the rear portion of a similar car. A friend that operated an
collision shop did that for an econmomical way of getting a fairly
late model car for his daughter. the product was 58 Fford in the
rear and 57 in front.

Sometinmes unibody cars were done that way. Both all right if well
done, but there have been weird exceptions.

Carl–
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OK, I’ve had a lot of old cars over the years: some
projects, some ‘nice’. I’ve never had two cars welded
together, but everything else.
However, something I just found on my ‘new’ XJ6 Series 1
prompts me to ask: is this the dumbest thing ever done to a


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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

Bruce

I found the cross member underneath the radiator held on with
rubber sloution on my SII when I got it.

It was just nine years old when the pictures shown here were taken:
http://almcl.org/sitemap.aspx

So, no, there are quite a lot of idiots out there, just waiting for
me to happen by.–
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prompts me to ask: is this the dumbest thing ever done to a
Jaguar??
Surely I’m not alone in buying cars from total idiots??


al mclean '93 XJS 4.0 - '84 4.2 Daimler - '84 DD6
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In reply to a message from almcl sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

On XJ’s:

Took a front wing off to repair some rust that was appearing on the
inner wing. The hole got substantailly bigger when I pulled all the
fibreglass off that was hidden under underseal.

Holes under the rear seat pan filled with newspaper then car body
filler…

Steering rack bushes made from electrical cabling contained by
jubilee clips.

Home brew shortened steering column section. Made by drilling holes
through the shortened pieces and securing with split pins.

On a Rover P5:

Sill made from a length of 2x4 timber screwed into what was left of
the original. The filler and paint over the top made it look
convincing… the way it bent didn’t.

Ric–
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I found the cross member underneath the radiator held on with
rubber sloution on my SII when I got it.

Surely I’m not alone in buying cars from total idiots??


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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

Well, it’s not the owners fault but…I am almost done with a
ground up restoration on a '67 MGB for a customer. The body shop
that did the work before I got to it actually took home heating
type sheet metal and attached the spring points in the rear to it.
He did use long sheet metal screws though. The owner of the car
said it drove kind of strange, almost like somthing was loose in
the rear. Gee… do ya think ??? Very very dangerous. I have
not found anything that strange with my Jag, just normal floor and
window rust. Oh how I love living in the rust belt.–
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OK, I’ve had a lot of old cars over the years: some
projects, some ‘nice’. I’ve never had two cars welded
together, but everything else.
However, something I just found on my ‘new’ XJ6 Series 1
prompts me to ask: is this the dumbest thing ever done to a
Jaguar??


Tim '83 VDP '60 MGA '69 MGB
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Surely I’m not alone in buying cars from total idiots??

Total idiot may not be the correct description.

I once was crossing the Sonoran desert on Mexico in a 1962 Mercedes.
Somewhere in the middle of nowhere with only sand and cactus
surrounding me, the fuel pump went out. I had some tools and a trunk
full of luggage. I removed the pump and discovered that there was a
leak in the diaphragm. I used my wife’s shower cap to cut out a
diaphragm, several layers of shower cap glued together with fingernail
polish. then I tied it to the shaft with dental floss and glued in
place around the rim with more fingernail polish. Then put it back
together. It worked. Several days later I looked around Mazatlan to
find a new pump, but none was found. I continued my trip and finally
wound up back home with the pump working fine all the time. By the
time I got home I had forgotten about the fuel pump repair. A year
later I sold the car with the pump still in it, still working fine.

So you might call them a “forgetful genius” instead of a “total idiot.”
I would have replaced it immediately upon getting home, but I just
forgot. I would have liked to have been there when the first mechanic
opened that thing up and found the pretty pink and white flowered
diaphragm…#:sunglasses:

Jim Isbell
"If you are not living on the edge, well then,
you are just taking up too much space."On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Hugocat brucesmann@gmail.com wrote:

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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

Not really found on a car, but I went to a guy’s garage to look at
a lathe for sale. several years ago. He had his natural gas heater
in the garage plumbed with 5 feet of heater hose!!!–
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In reply to a message from jagwagon sent Tue 7 Oct 2008:

You GTHOT, I suspect.

-:slight_smile:

Carl–
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Not really found on a car, but I went to a guy’s garage to look at
a lathe for sale. several years ago. He had his natural gas heater
in the garage plumbed with 5 feet of heater hose!!!


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In reply to a message from cadjag sent Tue 7 Oct 2008:

On the Jag, carbs fitted with different dashpot springs and
needles.

On a ex-government Nissan Patrol bought as a scrap car at
auction, discovered that the engine had been nicely
reconditioned and… never started. Found that the
distributor was … empty of its entrails. Fitted a good
distributor, the engine fired up amazingly beautifully and
I resold the ‘‘wreck’’ for 3 times more.–
1975 XJ6C - LHD
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Jim,

If we are going to share “Mexican shade tree” mechanical situations, I have
a very good one a bit like yours.

The year was 1962-3 or so and I was a young pup traveling with Mom, who
was going to school in San Miguel de Allende Mexico. Driving somewhere
between Brownsville and San Miguel we blew a head gasket in our 1961
Chevy. Parts for a 283 Chebby engine in that part of the world were non
existant but there was a gas station there and the guy was putting new
linolinium (sp) on the floor. An extra piece was cut into the right size, holes
made and it was “fitted” to the block. Head slid down on the studs and
everything tightened down. After all we just needed to get home!

Mom sold the car back in the states after moving there sometime around
1969 or so. It still had the “head gasket” made out of floor covering material
on the engine. I would love to see someone overhaul the engine and find
what was used for the head gasket on the engine.

Joe A
Phoenix

\On 7 Oct 2008 at 9:11, Jim Isbell, W5JAI wrote:> Total idiot may not be the correct description.

I once was crossing the Sonoran desert on Mexico in a 1962 Mercedes.
Somewhere in the middle of nowhere with only sand and cactus
surrounding me, the fuel pump went out. I had some tools and a trunk
full of luggage. I removed the pump and discovered that there was a
leak in the diaphragm. I used my wife’s shower cap to cut out a
diaphragm, several layers of shower cap glued together with fingernail
polish. then I tied it to the shaft with dental floss and glued in
place around the rim with more fingernail polish. Then put it back
together. It worked. Several days later I looked around Mazatlan to
find a new pump, but none was found. I continued my trip and finally
wound up back home with the pump working fine all the time. By the
time I got home I had forgotten about the fuel pump repair. A year
later I sold the car with the pump still in it, still working fine.

So you might call them a “forgetful genius” instead of a “total idiot.”
I would have replaced it immediately upon getting home, but I just
forgot. I would have liked to have been there when the first mechanic
opened that thing up and found the pretty pink and white flowered
diaphragm…#:sunglasses:

Jim Isbell

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Probably still good even now – low coolant temps then & linoleum had
asbestos backing then too!–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

joe@joea.com wrote:

Jim,

If we are going to share “Mexican shade tree” mechanical situations, I have
a very good one a bit like yours.

The year was 1962-3 or so and I was a young pup traveling with Mom, who
was going to school in San Miguel de Allende Mexico. Driving somewhere
between Brownsville and San Miguel we blew a head gasket in our 1961
Chevy. Parts for a 283 Chebby engine in that part of the world were non
existant but there was a gas station there and the guy was putting new
linolinium (sp) on the floor. An extra piece was cut into the right size, holes
made and it was “fitted” to the block. Head slid down on the studs and
everything tightened down. After all we just needed to get home!

Mom sold the car back in the states after moving there sometime around
1969 or so. It still had the “head gasket” made out of floor covering material
on the engine. I would love to see someone overhaul the engine and find
what was used for the head gasket on the engine.

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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

OK, I admit it - my fuel pump was very small fry by
comparison to some of this stuff!!

Still, there are plenty of places on the car I haven’t
looked yet…

Bruce–
1972 XJ6, Chevy V8 Power
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The Prior Owner of my 1987 XJ6 VdP (a good friend) brought his car by my
house a year or two ago for me to see just after he purchased it. I
did a quick inspection of the car and found a few things wrong,
including a bypass kludge of the oil cooler. It seems that owner prior
to him had a leaky oil cooler and the fix was to remove both oil cooler
hoses, cut them and put a “U” shaped pipe on the ends to completely
bypass the oil cooler. The Rube Goldberg of a modification must have
taken hours to implement, much more time than to replace the oil cooler.
The car was returned to its original design by the Prior Owner and the
oil cooler was properly connected and functioning when I purchased it
earlier this year.

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1985 XJ6 Vanden Plas (parts)
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
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From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Hugocat
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:18 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xj] What’s the Dumbest Thing a Previous Owner’s Done to an
XJ6??

OK, I’ve had a lot of old cars over the years: some
projects, some ‘nice’. I’ve never had two cars welded
together, but everything else.

However, something I just found on my ‘new’ XJ6 Series 1
prompts me to ask: is this the dumbest thing ever done to a
Jaguar??

I knew from the first day of owning the car that the
original fuel pumps had been replaced with one modern pump,
mounted along the edge of the spare wheel well. OK, fine.
The spare wheel was missing. No problem. I found a new wheel
on Ebay, had a tire mounted on it and tried to put it in its
place. Except that whoever fitted the fuel poump put it in a
place where it was impossible to fit the spare wheel in too:
not even a chance. It took me all day to tear it out again
and re-plumb the whole system. There was an incorrect wheel
in the trunk, so they did know…

WELL DONE. This person has now won my ‘Previous Owner of the
Year 2008’ award. I’ve seen dangerous repairs, bad repairs;
My 2007 award went to whoever used expanding foam to repair
the rocker panels on my father-in-law’s Alfa Spyder, though
they did do the paint nicely afterwards.

Surely I’m not alone in buying cars from total idiots??

Bruce

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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Tue 7 Oct 2008:

Also not big compared to some of the others, but my ‘83 was given a
sparkle (like the little ones use in kindergarten) paint job. Car
shines beautifully at anything over 8’. Anything less, well it
looks like a kids art project.–
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OK, I admit it - my fuel pump was very small fry by
comparison to some of this stuff!!


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In reply to a message from wosmo sent Wed 8 Oct 2008:

Chris:

In olden days that was referred to a as metallic paint job. Then,
an early customizer developed what he called metal fake. When
either is correctly done, it produces a brilliant finish. But, some
got the idea that more is better. Not so.

When I was kid, I got the idea that I could replicate it. I mixed
green and aluminum paint and applied it to the dash of my 34
Ford ‘‘hooptie’’ that managed to run with a seriously cracked block.
It worked, but, the green was a poor choice.

I sold the car t a young marine that had just returned from WWII
service in the south pacific. He had some colrful marine talk to
desvribe the car and especially the dashboard. I told hiom it
matched his marine fatigues, but with a shine. I was lucky he
didn’t go further than language. But, he was pleased to get a car
that ran, no matter how ugly at a price he could handle. Today a 34
Ford coupe in whatever conmdition is 10K minimum.

Yeah, there was Jaguar running around Hayward with that kinda
silver top over black. Striking, is the best I can say.

And I am a tolerant guy as to a guy and his auto choices.

-:slight_smile:

Carl–
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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Tue 7 Oct 2008:
Also not big compared to some of the others, but my ‘83 was given a
sparkle (like the little ones use in kindergarten) paint job. Car
shines beautifully at anything over 8’. Anything less, well it
looks like a kids art project.


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In reply to a message from Hugocat sent Mon 6 Oct 2008:

I had an Austin Princess (I’m not proud of it) that had an
interesting fault - the engine mounting bolts had fallen out
(a common fault on BL cars of the period - the factory would
run out of lock washers, and carry on production regardless)

  • so the previous owner replaced them with - you’ve guessed
    it - wood screws! 4 inch long wood screws shoved through the
    hole, and hammered over at the ends so they didn’t fall out.
    So the entire weight of the 6 cylinder engine and
    transmission was supported by a total of 2 wood screws.

I discovered this when the crankshaft pulley started to
slice through the bodywork as the engine sagged.–
1990 XJ-S V12 Convertible, Glacier White, 59K miles
Santa Clara, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from cadjag sent Wed 8 Oct 2008:

I was about to forget, some PO repaired the rusted-through
expansion tank on the Jag with fiberglass and resin.

30 minutes after I bought the car, on a hot summer day on
the M25, south of London, the botched job melted. Happy
days were just getting started…–
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In reply to a message from cadjag sent Wed 8 Oct 2008:

Oh, Carl, if only that were the case. You know the containers of
glitter your kids used with a bottle of paste or glue to make their
construction paper Christmas decorations? Somebody applied a layer
of that over the original rhodium silver and then a fresh layer of
clear coat! Literally a sparkle (or glitter, if you prefer) paint
job. A body guy told me this was probably done to camouflage
botched body work. Didn’t the ‘metal flake’ paint jobs involve
mixing the ‘sparkle’ (or whatever was used) into the actual paint?
The PO before me described the atrocity as a ‘bass boat’ paint
job. ;-)–
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Wow, that sounds great. Now to complete the job you need dingle balls
along the top of the windshield, a picture of Jesus glued to the
ceiling surrounded with sea shells and a little doggie in the package
shelf with eyes that light up when you hit the brakes. Then when you
get a little more money you need to put little bitty tires on it and a
jumping hydraulic system and maybe a Mack truck hood statue on the
bonnet. Sounds like a real show stopper to me. You could probably
sell it for a good price in my area!!!On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:31 AM, wosmo cwonsmos@yahoo.com wrote:

In reply to a message from cadjag sent Wed 8 Oct 2008:

Oh, Carl, if only that were the case. You know the containers of
glitter your kids used with a bottle of paste or glue to make their
construction paper Christmas decorations? Somebody applied a layer
of that over the original rhodium silver and then a fresh layer of
clear coat! Literally a sparkle (or glitter, if you prefer) paint
job. A body guy told me this was probably done to camouflage
botched body work. Didn’t the ‘metal flake’ paint jobs involve
mixing the ‘sparkle’ (or whatever was used) into the actual paint?
The PO before me described the atrocity as a ‘bass boat’ paint
job. :wink:

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In olden days that was referred to a as metallic paint job. Then,
an early customizer developed what he called metal fake. When


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you are just taking up too much space.”

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In reply to a message from wosmo sent Thu 9 Oct 2008:

Hey, I just got an e-mail making a great suggestion! How about
a ‘low rider’ XJ? Way better than turning it into a pick-up. Oh,
oh, or how about a 4X4 XJ? Big ‘monster’ tires under a raised
suspension? I’m not the PO yet, but I could definately make this
thread hop!
:slight_smile: Thanks to Jim for the idea!–
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clear coat! Literally a sparkle (or glitter, if you prefer) paint


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