I am looking for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52,
'54, '57, '60
If anyone has an original windshield from any of these
years, I would be most grateful if you could mail me a
photo, or at least read what it says…
The date code would be below the TRIPLEX logo (encircled
XXX) in the following format:
L51V, L52V, L54V and so on.
I am especially looking for the 1954 logo…
All help is most appreciated.
Tadek–
ysmalkie
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Tadek,
Here is a link to the logo on my XK-150. Perhaps, more useful, is how I set
up to get a good picture.
http://www.jag-lovers.org/v.htm?1448561978
Gene McGough
XK-150 FHC S834515DN
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From: “ysmalkie” tadeusz.malkiewicz@gmail.com
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 4:11 AM
I am looking for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52,
'54, '57, '60If anyone has an original windshield from any of these
years, I would be most grateful if you could mail me a
photo, or at least read what it says…The date code would be below the TRIPLEX logo (encircled
XXX) in the following format:
L51V, L52V, L54V and so on.I am especially looking for the 1954 logo…
Tadek
In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Thu 26 Nov 2015:
Three images e-mailed today of my '54, 120 DHC’s driver side
windscreen glass Triplex logo.–
Roger, '54 120 (SE) DHC, BRG, S678300
Tamarac, South Fla., United States
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In reply to a message from Gene McGough sent Thu 26 Nov 2015:
Gene,
Great photo shot and perfect clarity - many thanks!
Tadek–
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 27 Nov 2015:
I am still missing a '51 and '60 logo.
If anyone has any of these, Please, please get back to me…
Tadek–
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 27 Nov 2015:
I pulled the front(split) and rear screens from a couple of
MKVII wrecks.
I believe they were both '51
are they likely to have the markings you are after?
would have to search around for the fronts–
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I am still missing a '51 and '60 logo.
If anyone has any of these, Please, please get back to me…
Tadek
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Most defiantly what is sought Tony, the challenge is in taking a good
photo.
Needs to be CLEAN glass, and best to place a mat black cloth or similar
background, then its a matter of getting the light on the right angle to
make the logo sufficiently visible to focus/photograph.
So while you’re at it - do both front screens to see if there is a minor
dating variation, and also rear screen that will be toughened glass with a
different TRIPLEX mark to the front Laminated screens.
Roger
Roger Payne
XK140MC OTS; 4.2E OTS; DaimlerSV8
Canberra, Australia
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From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
awg
Sent: 1 December, 2015 13:43
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] Call for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52, '54, '57,
'60
In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 27 Nov 2015:
I pulled the front(split) and rear screens from a couple of MKVII wrecks.
I believe they were both '51
are they likely to have the markings you are after?
The original message included these comments:
I am still missing a '51 and '60 logo.
If anyone has any of these, Please, please get back to me…
Tadek
–
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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Mon 30 Nov 2015:
well the good news is I have determined the screens
location, so I just need to get along and photograph them,
cleaning will be needed, they are under a house. Hopefully
they are original to the '51 cars, I expect the rears would
be, but would have to be doubtful about the fronts due to so
many gravel roads etc–
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Most defiantly what is sought Tony, the challenge is in taking a good
–
Tony
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In reply to a message from awg sent Wed 2 Dec 2015:
I checked 2 rear screens and both halves of a front screen,
all from early MKVII.
despite cleaning, and scraping the edges free of gunk, I
could find no makers marks at all
This is puzzling, as whilst I would bet on fronts being
replaced sometime in their 60 yr life, I would be really
surprised if TWO rear screens had been replaced…even then,
I would still expect a makers mark…ie pilkington
There are 2 more cars to check with full glass in them, a
'51 MKVII and '55 MKVIIM.
Please advise me WHERE on the glass I should focus searching?–
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well the good news is I have determined the screens
they are original to the '51 cars, I expect the rears would
be, but would have to be doubtful about the fronts due to so
many gravel roads etc
–
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In reply to a message from awg sent Mon 7 Dec 2015:
Tony,
The marks cam be very faded and it is often difficult
to find them.
On the xk120 they were located 2.5’’ from top and 2’’ from
vertical inner edge of the glass.
I can presume the arrangement might be similar on MKVII.
I do not have the MKVII SPC, but the left and right glass
might be the same and the logo would be positioned
identically on the left and right glass.
Many thanks for looking!
Tadek–
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Mon 7 Dec 2015:
I found a very faint mark on the MKVII front.
photo is poor
words are ‘‘triplex’’ and ‘‘toughened’’ around the circle with 3
crosses in it
a letter ‘‘P’’ in between the circle and the heart
no other marks
does that sound like a replacement?
more later–
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The marks cam be very faded and it is often difficult
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Tony,
That’s EXACTLY the TRIPLEX marking we are talking about.
And the project in hand is understanding the very minor variations to that
exact marking, so you need glass clean, and it’s a challenge to get a good
sharp photo of the etched TRIPLEX marking, as it will have small DOTS over
certain letters that advise date of glass to a quarterly accuracy. And
apart from the exact marking evolving over the years, the marking on
Laminated Glass Windscreens differs from Side Window Toughened Glass.
Roger
Roger Payne
XK140MC OTS; 4.2E OTS; DaimlerSV8
Canberra, Australia
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awg
Sent: 9 December, 2015 12:56
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] Call for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52, '54, '57,
'60
In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Mon 7 Dec 2015:
I found a very faint mark on the MKVII front.
photo is poor
words are ‘‘triplex’’ and ‘‘toughened’’ around the circle with 3 crosses in
it
a letter ‘‘P’’ in between the circle and the heart
no other marks
does that sound like a replacement?
The original message included these comments:
The marks cam be very faded and it is often difficult
–
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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Tue 8 Dec 2015:
I will re-examine and attempt a better pic
will check more closely for ‘‘dots’’ (as a photo may not show,
I used a magnify glass to look)
mark was VERY faded, so maybe an original, the glass has
scratch wear that further indicates it is old
I presume the etching is on the inside, but needs to be read
from the outside
It would help a LOT if you can say wherabouts the rear
windscreen mark might be?
I can check sidescreens to if needed
Tadek explained where the front was, and only then could I
find it, with difficulty, under bright light–
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exact marking, so you need glass clean, and it’s a challenge to get a good
sharp photo of the etched TRIPLEX marking, as it will have small DOTS over
certain letters that advise date of glass to a quarterly accuracy. And
apart from the exact marking evolving over the years, the marking on
Laminated Glass Windscreens differs from Side Window Toughened Glass.
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In reply to a message from awg sent Tue 8 Dec 2015:
Tony,
Many thanks, this is very interesting indeed.
So you are saying there were following marks on the front
windshield:
TRIPLEX
X
X X
TOUGHENED
Was there anything above word TRIPLEX?
There could be ASWS or AS1 or … nothing.
I am very much interested also if there is any date below
this (could be ‘‘50’’ , ‘‘51’’, etc)
And if there are any dots over any of the letters…
And I am also interested in all other logos…
Many thanks!!
Tadek–
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Wed 9 Dec 2015:
certainly no other words or numbers (other than the ‘‘P’’)
otherwise looks the same as the other pics
(but minus all those fancy lettering…made me think it may
be a replacement…during my youth many roads were
unsealed, and broken front windscreens were an expectation
every few years)
It is possible there are a couple of dots above some letters
This will require a close magnifying glass…will do today
I will send a large format pic to Roger and Tadek by email.
This car was not a pampered garage baby, but a sunburned,
rusted wreck, the ‘‘heart’’ for instance, is almost invisible,
I suspect this is due to sun bleaching, I know from
experience the intense sun here will obliterate all over time.
The other 2 cars are at another property, I will be over
there next week–
Tony
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Wed 9 Dec 2015:
I cannot take adequate pics, due to faintness of marks, and
only have a cheap digicam… will send best I have.
However, can report the following.
There are 2 ‘‘dots’’ one is a fullstop after the word ‘‘TRIPLEX’’
The other is a dot directly above the letter P in TRIPLEX
A separate letter P is directly below the letter G in
toughened, above the heart
The heart, circle and crosses are the same as pictured in
Genes photos.
I salvaged the data plate from this car, but am not sure
exactly where it is atm, would confirm year (of car at least)–
The original message included these comments:
Was there anything above word TRIPLEX?
And if there are any dots over any of the letters…
–
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I have photographed what I believe are original Triplex logos on 5 different
and what I believe genuine factory pieces of glass
One an XK120 roadster with a 1965 rego label still visible is straight
toughened glass the other 4 are all laminated glass
Photos can be viewed at
483707/?type=3&theater
XK120FHC 679112 glass Laminated
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (1)
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (2)
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (3)
XK120 roadster glass not laminated rego label 1965—
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Terry McG;
Great Stuff, Great Pictures! Only one “tiny, small” problem…
The “Subject” and descriptive text in this e-mail does NOT match
the descriptive text on each photo’s Facebook page… In other words
the two pics of Ch#679112’s glass shows one being an “ASWS”,
the other being an “AS1”… The latter should be the windscreen glass,
but is the “ASWS” the side door glass or the back window glass??
Your “Subject Line” mentiones a 1960 windscreen logo, again, the
Facebook text does not show that one.
Also, on the " roadster glass not laminated"… obviously the OTS
has no side or back glass, but I believe the USA DOT (whatever it
was called in the early '50’s) required ALL vehicles to have Laminated
Windscreens… “Toughened” (or Tempered/Hardened) was restricted
to side and back glass, only… This assumes the 1965 registered OTS
was a (1) non-US Spec car, and (2) Jaguar Coventry fitted windscreens
to EACH country’s specifications… a rather costly option…
My June '53 120DHC has the “AS1 L53V” logo (laminated) on the
now broken windscreens and the “Toughened” is fitted to both doors.
Can you check further on these details and advise??
Charles #677556.----- Original Message -----
From: “Terry Mcgrath”
Subject: [xk] Call for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52, '54, '57, '60
I have photographed what I believe are original Triplex logos on 5
different
and what I believe genuine factory pieces of glass
One an XK120 roadster with a 1965 rego label still visible is straight
toughened glass the other 4 are all laminated glass
Photos can be viewed at
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483707/?type=3&theaterXK120FHC 679112 glass Laminated
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (1)
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (2)
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (3)
XK120 roadster glass not laminated rego label 1965
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Good pics Terry,
I too have just taken excellent photos of an Australian delivered-new, May
1950 early steel XK120 roadster with both its original “Toughened” glass
third-quarter 1949 dated windscreens in place.
I don’t know what respective rules were in UK, or USA in 1949/50 but in
Australia only ‘safety-glass’ was required, whether ‘Toughened’ or
‘Laminated’.
Up to seeing this May 1950 XK120 (and now Terry’s photo) I had presumed all
XK windscreens were Laminated being what the factory had decided to fit from
the start for their reasons, and certainly for a flat-windscreen as per
XK120 and XK140 a Laminated Screen would have been easier/cheaper to make
than a Toughened screen - and very much the case now when restoring an XK
But then checking the XK120 SPC lists two part numbers for XK120
windscreens, so likely not market related, but age related, with maybe
1949/50 XK120s getting earlier TOUGHENED glass windscreens then all others
1950/51 on getting LAMINATED.
So task is to get enough examples of original XK120 windscreen glass in that
1949-51 period and see if hard evidence supports that.
But to date - only TWO examples with TOUGHENED glass, both date as
third-quarter 1949, and both are Australian new XK120, so we need to be
mindful of possible market variations and not just age variations.
So what’s the chance now of finding more 1949/50 built XK120s with their
original windscreens still fitted?
Maybe there was an initial batch of TOUGHENED screens made - all
third-quarter 1949, and then thereafter new part number Laminated Screens,
but we have to contain this to known original XK120 windscreens as Triplex
TOGHENED glass was made for other applications well before 1949 and well
after 1949, and Triplex Laminated Glass was made for other applications well
before 1951 and well after 1951.
Roger Payne
XK140MC OTS; 4.2E OTS; DaimlerSV8
Canberra, Australia
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cb@XKTX.Org
Sent: 12 January, 2016 04:16
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Cc: terry mcgrath tmcgrath@bigpond.com
Subject: Re: [xk] Call for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52, '54, '57,
'60
Terry McG;
Great Stuff, Great Pictures! Only one “tiny, small” problem…
The “Subject” and descriptive text in this e-mail does NOT match the
descriptive text on each photo’s Facebook page… In other words the two
pics of Ch#679112’s glass shows one being an “ASWS”, the other being an
“AS1”… The latter should be the windscreen glass, but is the “ASWS” the
side door glass or the back window glass??
Your “Subject Line” mentiones a 1960 windscreen logo, again, the Facebook
text does not show that one.
Also, on the " roadster glass not laminated"… obviously the OTS has no
side or back glass, but I believe the USA DOT (whatever it was called in the
early '50’s) required ALL vehicles to have Laminated Windscreens…
“Toughened” (or Tempered/Hardened) was restricted to side and back glass,
only… This assumes the 1965 registered OTS was a (1) non-US Spec car, and
(2) Jaguar Coventry fitted windscreens to EACH country’s specifications… a
rather costly option…
My June '53 120DHC has the “AS1 L53V” logo (laminated) on the now broken
windscreens and the “Toughened” is fitted to both doors.
Can you check further on these details and advise??
Charles #677556.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Terry Mcgrath”
Subject: [xk] Call for TRIPLEX logo on windshield on '51, '52, '54, '57, '60
I have photographed what I believe are original Triplex logos on 5
different
and what I believe genuine factory pieces of glass
One an XK120 roadster with a 1965 rego label still visible is straight
toughened glass the other 4 are all laminated glass
Photos can be viewed at
483707/?type=3&theater
XK120FHC 679112 glass Laminated
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (1)
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (2)
XK120-140 FHC glass Laminated (3)
XK120 roadster glass not laminated rego label 1965
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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Mon 11 Jan 2016:
Congratulations, you have figured out how to take photos of
those logos.
Your ASWS TRIPLEX PLATE L51V is identical to the windshield
of my 679187. Mine also has a dot above the letter R in TRIPLEX.
Your AS TRIPLEX TOUGHENED P is identical to the rear glass
and door windows of 679187. Mine have a dot above the letter
R in TRIPLEX and below the letter T in TOUGHENED.–
XK120 FHC, Mark V saloon, XJ12L Series II, S-Type 3.0
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