[xk] XK120 FHC 679032, sunroof

XK
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Hi Roger , sorry for the confusion. What makes it scary for me is that I
knew the correct view of looking at the car from the rear or conversely in
the drivers seat to determine the left and right sides of the vehicle. My
building background must have taken over my senses as details of being left
or right handed are taken to be standing in front of and facing the
installation in question. My only other explanation was the sense of being
able to add something to the conversation became paramount in my thoughts
and the all important detail was forgotten!!
Having sorted that out I can now confirm to you that the sump plug is at
the front RH side. However the fact still remains that the sump plug is very
difficult to get at and drain the sump with a sump guard in place, hence my
use of a hydraulic hose to drain the engine oil without taking the sump
guard off. Possibly the reason why sump guards are so rare.
I am fairly sure that I will not make that mistake again ,IF I do, you will
all know that I have “lost the plot” and your understanding would be
appreciated.
How do you determine the front and rear and the left and right sides of
trams or trolley cars that can be driven from either end, does it depend on
the direction you are travelling at the time?

Regards to all,
John, 825127-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
Roger Payne
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 11:14 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] ???

I think the usual convention is how it looks from the driving seat, which of
course makes no difference whether car is RHD or LHD.

I have never had any confusion over this, and didn’t think anyone did, until
as I said, at local Jaguar Club dinner Friday night, a member who has just
purchased a new XF 4.2 was relating a story of trying to buy a under-bonnet
rubber-buffer for her “still as new” fully speced 1999 (purchased new)
S-Type before offering it to club members selling it, and dealer had got in
wrong part because he was claiming the required left-side bonnet rubber was
identified as being the right-side rubber that he had ordered in. The
debate continued around additional bottles of wine!

Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.
Canberra.

-----Original Message-----
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George Camp
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 10:39 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] ???

In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Sat 28 Feb 2009:

Roger why not do it like Jaguar said how it is if you are looking at the
car from the rear!

The original message included these comments:

At least we can agree on ‘‘left & right’’ side of car.

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DJ;
So, if I’m in a RHD car, the “Nearside” is on the right… but in I’m in an
LHD car the “Nearside” is on the left and the “Kerb” the the raised concrete
edging along roadways that your wife, parking valet and other idiots rub
your brand new “Wide Whites” against… Right?
And speaking of “Wide Whites”… I have been needing to get new tyres for
a “Garden Cart” that we bought a quarter century ago… the tyres are a
“standard” size for bicycles, but I needed a “squared” tread, not a rounded
profile… Well, I located a pair of the corect profile tyres today… the
only “drawback”, according to the bike shop, is the tyres are “White
Sidewalls”… Gotta love it… I’m gonna have twenty-six inch “Wide Whites”
on the Garden Cart as well as the XK120 (the Volvo 122S & Datsun 510) ;-}
Life doesn’t get any better than this ;-}
Charles #677556.----- Original Message -----
From: “D J”

Sorry Roger but it IS nearside, offside and kerb. Note kerb not
kerbside.
That is the (correct) way we refer to vehicles regardless of whether
or not they are LHD or RHD.
It’s really not our fault when some of you drive on the wrong side of
the road.
When we drive on the wrong side we call it overtaking.
Lesson ends.

DJ
(UK lister)

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Charles,

Wrong, right for the wrong reasons, right. Does that make things
clearer?

One thing that I’ve never understood is why do Americans have a love
affair with whitewall tyres?
Is it a colour thing, a perversity or do you just not recognise them
for the ghastly abominations they are.
They certainly were never designed at Browns Lane.

Of course you can have whatever you like on your garden cart. I just
hope it’s not a V8 wheelbarrow although I have heard of V8 Reliant
Robins, another bastardised abomination created by another
enthusiastic nutter.

Lastly, although I suspect putting up with you can’t have been easy, I
question your reference to your wife as an idiot.
It’s just not cricket old boy.

DJOn 1 Mar 2009, at 02:26, BISHOP13 wrote:

DJ;
So, if I’m in a RHD car, the “Nearside” is on the right… but in I’m
in an LHD car the “Nearside” is on the left and the “Kerb” the the
raised concrete edging along roadways that your wife, parking valet
and other idiots rub your brand new “Wide Whites” against… Right?
And speaking of “Wide Whites”… I have been needing to get new
tyres for a “Garden Cart” that we bought a quarter century ago…
the tyres are a “standard” size for bicycles, but I needed a
“squared” tread, not a rounded profile… Well, I located a pair of
the corect profile tyres today… the only “drawback”, according to
the bike shop, is the tyres are “White Sidewalls”… Gotta love it…
I’m gonna have twenty-six inch “Wide Whites” on the Garden Cart as
well as the XK120 (the Volvo 122S & Datsun 510) ;-} Life doesn’t
get any better than this ;-}
Charles #677556.

----- Original Message ----- From: “D J”

Sorry Roger but it IS nearside, offside and kerb. Note kerb not
kerbside.
That is the (correct) way we refer to vehicles regardless of whether
or not they are LHD or RHD.
It’s really not our fault when some of you drive on the wrong side of
the road.
When we drive on the wrong side we call it overtaking.
Lesson ends.

DJ
(UK lister)

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In reply to a message from john ledbrook sent Sat 28 Feb 2009:

John.

I was taught that all of this near side and off side stuff comes
historically from the correct way to mount a horse. Therefore, to
answer your question about trams, try pretending that you are
riding a horse on the tram to get a sense of near and off sides :slight_smile:

Karl–
The original message included these comments:

How do you determine the front and rear and the left and right sides of
trams or trolley cars that can be driven from either end, does it depend on
the direction you are travelling at the time?

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karl
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Thanks Karl, my experiences with horses is that they had one near side and
at least two “off” sides, depending which way the horse went and which way I
was going!!
My question with the tram scenario is that left and right was dependant on
your direction of travel. If a tram was travelling North the right side
would be to the East. At the end of the tram track instead of turning the
tram around the driver changed ends and drove from the other end. Now I
would be travelling South and if I was travelling facing South what was the
right side is now the left side.
When it come to ordering spares/repairs how would it of been designated,
front right ,rear left. Which front ,which rear or was it a simple matter of
a permanently designated front and rear no matter what end the driver was
using at the time?
I think I have gone off the tracks here, the only Jaguar content I can
think of is that the seats may have had Rexene or Connelly leather on them!!

Regards to all,
John . 825127–Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
karl
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 1:53 PM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] ???

In reply to a message from john ledbrook sent Sat 28 Feb 2009:

John.

I was taught that all of this near side and off side stuff comes
historically from the correct way to mount a horse. Therefore, to answer
your question about trams, try pretending that you are riding a horse on the
tram to get a sense of near and off sides :slight_smile:

Karl

The original message included these comments:

How do you determine the front and rear and the left and right sides
of trams or trolley cars that can be driven from either end, does it
depend on the direction you are travelling at the time?

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karl
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Winston Churchill used to say something like that:
Horses are dangerous animals at both ends and uncomfortable in the middle.
B

john ledbrook a �crit :> Thanks Karl, my experiences with horses is that they had one near side and

at least two “off” sides, depending which way the horse went and which way I
was going!!
My question with the tram scenario is that left and right was dependant on
your direction of travel. If a tram was travelling North the right side
would be to the East. At the end of the tram track instead of turning the
tram around the driver changed ends and drove from the other end. Now I
would be travelling South and if I was travelling facing South what was the
right side is now the left side.
When it come to ordering spares/repairs how would it of been designated,
front right ,rear left. Which front ,which rear or was it a simple matter of
a permanently designated front and rear no matter what end the driver was
using at the time?
I think I have gone off the tracks here, the only Jaguar content I can
think of is that the seats may have had Rexene or Connelly leather on them!!

Regards to all,
John . 825127

–Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
karl
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 1:53 PM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] ???

In reply to a message from john ledbrook sent Sat 28 Feb 2009:

John.

I was taught that all of this near side and off side stuff comes
historically from the correct way to mount a horse. Therefore, to answer
your question about trams, try pretending that you are riding a horse on the
tram to get a sense of near and off sides :slight_smile:

Karl

The original message included these comments:

How do you determine the front and rear and the left and right sides
of trams or trolley cars that can be driven from either end, does it
depend on the direction you are travelling at the time?

–
karl
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